Scot Cardinal: Gay Adoption Makes Children “Guinea Pigs in Some Distorted Social Experiment”

LifeSiteNews ^ | 1/16/05 | Terry Vanderheyden

[moog]

There are many that do.

[moog]

Some people must comb their hair differently.

[moog]

I don't have any of my own kids, but do want to adopt some day. If those kids are going to a good family, I don't care if they have kids or not.

[brytlea]

But they could fairly easily have children of their own. Coudln't they?
susie

[brytlea]

I think some people who can (and have) had kids of their own want to adopt kids because they feel compelled to help. I have thought of doing foster care for that very reason, even tho my kids are grown, and theoretically I could have another one (maybe). But that may be a very small subset.
susie

[brytlea]

I suppose the point is that there aren't enough kids to go around and so they should go to people who can't have them. I'm not sure there aren't enough kids, altho there is a dearth (so I've heard) of adoptable white infants. My brother went thru the foster care system and adopted a little boy who was about 2 1/2. Great kid, btw. If he had been stuck on an infant, I'm not sure he would have one yet. Oh, and yes, he's married, I realize I made that sound like he was single.
susie

[DBeers]

The Cardinal has asked that Catholic adoption agencies be allowed a “conscience clause” to exempt them from the ruling, so as not to be forced to place children in homes with same-sex guardians. O’Brien is worried that Catholic adoption agencies would eventually be forced into placing children with same-sex couples.

Much rather they would be forced to break the illegitimate law by NOT placing children with homosexuals playing house.

[Gumdrop]

In our Catholic parish we have a very nice couple who have two sons. They were also foster parents to children who needed homes during family crises. About 7 years ago they began to bring two children to church with them every Sunday. This happened for at least 15 months, when suddenly it became known that they had applied to adopt the children. The kids were about 3 and 5 when they were adopted. They are biological brother and sister and black children, very well behaved. The adoptive parents' 2 sons are blond boys, the oldest a year older than the black brother and the youngest a year younger than his new black sister. This family is very stable, and I do not think they originally intended to adopt any kids, but over the year that they were caring for these children, you could see the strong bonding which took place between the parents and these two children and the other two boys.

After the adoption was final, they had the two kids baptized. Both of these kids have now also received their First Communion. It was/is a wonderful story.

[DBeers]

For those interested -some links to documents and some excerpts:

1. Third World Meeting of Families: Conclusions of the Pastoral Theological Congress

   Mention should also be made of recent attempts to legalize adoptions by homosexual persons, and this must be strongly rejected. It is obvious that this is not the situation for authentic up-bringing and personalizing growth. “The bond between two men or two women cannot constitute a real family, nor much less can the right be attributed to a union of this kind to adopt children without a family”. With regard to foster care and adoption, the great principle to be applied is always the child’s higher interests which much prevail over other considerations.

2. Fourth World Meeting of Families: Conclusions of the Pastoral Theological Congress

   We reaffirm the rights and dignity of all children. They should never be neglected and abandoned on the streets. They should be protected, especially when threatened by exploitation through prostitution, pornography, child-labor, drug trafficking, homosexual adoption and immoral "sex education". A new threat to children is posed by the misuse of the Internet, when this intrudes into family life and undermines the rights and duties of parents.

   Children are the "crown of marriage", the real wealth of humanity. The natural place for their education is the family. It is here, in the community of life and love, that they are formed as members of Christ's Church. It is here that, honoring and loving their parents, they can enrich the lives of all members of the wider family.

3. Considerations Regarding Proposals To Give Legal Recognition To Unions Between Homosexual Persons

   4. There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family. Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against the natural moral law. Homosexual acts “close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved”.

   7. Homosexual unions are totally lacking in the biological and anthropological elements of marriage and family which would be the basis, on the level of reason, for granting them legal recognition. Such unions are not able to contribute in a proper way to the procreation and survival of the human race. The possibility of using recently discovered methods of artificial reproduction, beyond involving a grave lack of respect for human dignity, does nothing to alter this inadequacy.

   Homosexual unions are also totally lacking in the conjugal dimension, which represents the human and ordered form of sexuality. Sexual relations are human when and insofar as they express and promote the mutual assistance of the sexes in marriage and are open to the transmission of new life.

   As experience has shown, the absence of sexual complementarity in these unions creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.

[moog]

I suppose the point is that there aren't enough kids to go around and so they should go to people who can't have them. I'm not sure there aren't enough kids, altho there is a dearth (so I've heard) of adoptable white infants. My brother went thru the foster care system and adopted a little boy who was about 2 1/2. Great kid, btw. If he had been stuck on an infant, I'm not sure he would have one yet. Oh, and yes, he's married, I realize I made that sound like he was single. susie There are plenty of kids to go around and plenty of people who want to adopt (at least here). At least 3 of my aunts and uncles have adopted children along with several of my neighbors. Black children have been adopted a lot here. I don't care if the kid is black, white, Asian, or whatever, a good family can do wonders. I realize, being one who really wants a child, that maybe I should be one of those saying that those of us without them maybe should get them first, but to me that sounds somewhat selfish. It's the CHILD and providing him/her with a good home whom we should be concerned about.

Like your son, I will love that child like no other when I am finally able to get the opportunity to raise one. Then there will be no more questions of, "Why don't you want children?" or "So you decided you don't want any children?"

[moog]

I stinking forgot you were a teacher too!! One of the moms of one of my students was not even considering adopting. Then this infant fell into her lap literally. I'm not sure what the circumstances were, but somehow within a MONTH, they got an infant because of some special circumstances. That kid, is doted upon with 5 sisters. The mom said that it was like that her house was where he was supposed to be. I couldn't have been happier for her.

[weegee]

The left has said that we should not be down on the actions of consenting adults (although it became quite clear that was just a ruse as age of consent to homosexual acts is not confined to those over 18).

Where does the child "consent" to be adopted into a household with a same sex couple?

[BoneHead]

apparently he's a big liberal who was got his red hat by accident and was subsequently forced to make a profession of faith before actually becoming a cardinal.

Couldn't tell that from the site I linked. Max Nix I like his position on the topic of this thread.

[BoneHead]

At some point, the Church is going to have to stop taking money, , getting tax breaks and funding social welfare activities. Sad but true. The true meaning of the separation of church and state is the recognition that money

Easy Cat! You realize this is going on accros the pond as they say, in Scotland?

[wagglebee]

Homosexual agenda ping.

[TAdams8591]

Agreed. It's been my life-long belief as well. Ridiculous that children should be adopted by singles instead of married couples, particularly when there is such a shortage of them. OUTRAGEOUS that any gays should be allowed to adopt, and yet adoptions to single people make it possible.

Also, more unwed mother's who cannot properly care for their children, should considering giving them up for adoption. But in the current moral climate, they won't.

[brytlea]

I wasn't saying that was my position, btw, I was just saying where I thought that sort of comment was coming from. I think adoption is great, and I really admire people who adopt an older child, or a child with some sort of handicap etc.
susie

[brytlea]

That's neat. My brother's little boy came with a few issues, but they have worked thru them and he is really blooming. My brother and his wife have decided to homeschool him, and he's really doing well (after a rough start in public school).
Anyway, it sounds like God knew exactly where He wanted that baby you were talkng about to be!

:)
susie

[scripter]

A few relevant links on adoption.

Experts Worldwide Find Gay Adoption Harmful for Children
Review of Research On Homosexual Parenting, Adoption, And Foster Parenting
Homosexual Parenting: Is It Time For Change?
Where Children Have No Voice: The 'Right' of Adoption by Homosexual Partners
Dangers of Same-Sex Couples Adopting Children (Part 1)
Dangers of Same-Sex Couples Adopting Children (Part 2)
Children and homosexual adoption
Homosexual adoption
Trophy children

[moog]

I'll say.

At a night school I used to work at, this policeman would come around with his little boy. I found out that he had adopted him from Romania. Those two were as close as any father and son that I have ever seen. The last I heard, the boy was doing wonderful in school and the family couldn't be happier. I love hearing stories like your son's and others. They are pretty inspirational.