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Stone Age Footwork: Ancient Human Prints Turn Up Down Under
ScienceNews ^ | 1/7/06 | B. Bower

Posted on 01/16/2006 10:13:24 AM PST by furball4paws

Stone age human footprints have been found near an ancient lake in Australia. The prints date from 19,000-23,000 years and include children and several adults. Kangaroo prints are also among the finds.

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KEYWORDS: australia; crevo; crevolist; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; stoneagemen
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To: furball4paws
"It's possible that these people were venturing between the shores of the two nearest large lakes," Cupper says. "Maybe they were moving from one temporary camp to another, or perhaps they were on a hunting or fishing expedition."

Or maybe they were going to the Walmart.

41 posted on 01/16/2006 11:50:49 AM PST by TN4Liberty (American... conservative... southern.... It doesn't get any better than this.)
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To: furball4paws
What interests me is how level the bottom of the footprint is.

Any footprint left in soft sand or mud generally has the heel and metetarsal areas dug in a little deeper because of the initial contact and then pushing off during the stride.

Maybe people walked a lot differently back then. LOL

42 posted on 01/16/2006 11:52:54 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: furball4paws

Prediction: Aboriginal activists (or more likely, leftist whites who like to think of themselves as advocates for native peoples) will issue angry statements over not enough equal time to the "Dreamtime" theory of human origins in news reports of the finding, and demand that the footprints be rightfully returned to the original owners.


43 posted on 01/16/2006 11:55:10 AM PST by RightWingAtheist ("Why thank you Mr.Obama, I'm proud to be a Darwinist!")
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To: furball4paws
The researchers made that calculation by comparing the stride lengths of the prehistoric adult with comparable data from modern distance runners of similar height.

Granted the article did not mention marathons.

However, it did mention "distance runners"

I guess it all depends on the meaning of "distance"

In any case, I've done a lot of running in my life, competively as well as recreational, and a 5 minute mile is not a recreational time at even a very short definition of distance.

44 posted on 01/16/2006 12:05:33 PM PST by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - Freep Stuff & Pajama Patrol Stuff)
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To: GSHastings
Take off your shoes for a few weeks, and then ask that question.

Come again?

45 posted on 01/16/2006 12:06:00 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren
The article certainly does imply that they could achieve 12 mph/5 minute mile pace.

Here is what was stated:

Whatever these Stone Age folk were doing, the largest of them achieved a running speed of perhaps 12 miles per hour, comparable to that of a fit recreational runner today, Cupper says. The researchers made that calculation by comparing the stride lengths of the prehistoric adult with comparable data from modern distance runners of similar height.

If they were referring to sprinting/short distance, the mph figure would be much higher!

46 posted on 01/16/2006 12:10:51 PM PST by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - Freep Stuff & Pajama Patrol Stuff)
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To: irishtenor
There was a reported fossilized human footprint right next to a dinosaur footprint. Shocked all the "millions and millions ago" crowd.

Umm...replaced "shocked" with "Sent into paroxysms of laughter".

They've all been convincingly debunked or shown to be actual carved fakes.

47 posted on 01/16/2006 12:10:59 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: furball4paws
Can we tell a woman's foot from a man's?

Not without unzipping their genes.

48 posted on 01/16/2006 12:19:28 PM PST by Ken H
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To: bmwcyle

Looks to me like they buried 38 people upside down and the wind blew the sand off the bottoms of their feet.


49 posted on 01/16/2006 12:24:29 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Coyoteman
Thermoluminescence and Optically Stimulated Luminescence in Radiometric Dating. Comes up a lot in discussions of Mungo Man, not to be confused with Mungo Jerry.
50 posted on 01/16/2006 12:35:01 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Old Professer
Looks to me like they buried 38 people upside down and the wind blew the sand off the bottoms of their feet.

Perhaps they realized they were in the wrong hemisphere and were just trying to get right-side up.

51 posted on 01/16/2006 12:46:22 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: furball4paws

They have six little feet.


52 posted on 01/16/2006 12:54:21 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: VadeRetro

Mungo No Go


53 posted on 01/16/2006 12:55:55 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: furball4paws; PatrickHenry; Coyoteman
To mitigate your level of boredom
54 posted on 01/16/2006 12:56:33 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: b_sharp

Splendid.


55 posted on 01/16/2006 1:01:09 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Mungo No Go

Mungo no mo.

If I recall, Mungo's initially spectacular age has been revised down quite a bit.

56 posted on 01/16/2006 1:06:13 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Seeking the truth
The article certainly does imply that they could achieve 12 mph/5 minute mile pace. Here is what was stated:

Whatever these Stone Age folk were doing, the largest of them achieved a running speed of perhaps 12 miles per hour, comparable to that of a fit recreational runner today, Cupper says. The researchers made that calculation by comparing the stride lengths of the prehistoric adult with comparable data from modern distance runners of similar height.

If they were referring to sprinting/short distance, the mph figure would be much higher!

Respectfully disagree.

It seems to me that they were using the stride length to determine speed of the prints they found. The 12 mph is probably based (correctly or incorrectly) on a ratio of the ancient stride with modern distance strides. The researchers are comparing this ratio to the known average speed of a distance runner. How else would you make an estimate for how fast they could go? Comparing it with walking steps would be no work. This provides a speed ratio, but really says nothing about how long this speed is maintained.

I do see your point.

The piece of information (I need) is what is longer, the stride of a distance runner or the stride of a sprinting/short distance runner.

My guess is that the long distance runner has a longer stride. Short distance requires quick acceleration and power which (to me) would require shorter, harder steps. If the researchers were to assume that the ancient prints were of someone sprinting, would it suggest that they were going amazingly fast?

Funny thing is, they really don't know what these ancients were doing at the time they left the prints. For all they know, the ancients were having a competition to see who could leave the longest strides!!

57 posted on 01/16/2006 3:54:43 PM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren
My guess is that the long distance runner has a longer stride.

Just try sprinting very hard. You'll find it's the longest stride you have. Long strides are your tallest gear. They eat energy but are good for speed. Short strides are good for going up steep hills that would otherwise burn up your legs. In other words, they're your low gear.

58 posted on 01/16/2006 5:11:15 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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Thanks Fiddlstix. Alas, we have one or two like it, so I'm just adding this to the GGG catalog, not sending a general distribution.

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59 posted on 01/16/2006 7:27:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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