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The origins of the Great War of 2007 - and how it could have been prevented
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 1/15/2006 | Niall Ferguson

Posted on 01/15/2006 10:04:04 AM PST by weef

With every passing year after the turn of the century, the instability of the Gulf region grew. By the beginning of 2006, nearly all the combustible ingredients for a conflict - far bigger in its scale and scope than the wars of 1991 or 2003 - were in place.

The first underlying cause of the war was the increase in the region's relative importance as a source of petroleum. On the one hand, the rest of the world's oil reserves were being rapidly exhausted. On the other, the breakneck growth of the Asian economies had caused a huge surge in global demand for energy. It is hard to believe today, but for most of the 1990s the price of oil had averaged less than $20 a barrel.

A second precondition of war was demographic. While European fertility had fallen below the natural replacement rate in the 1970s, the decline in the Islamic world had been much slower. By the late 1990s the fertility rate in the eight Muslim countries to the south and east of the European Union was two and half times higher than the European figure.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2007; energywar; iran; niallferguson; thanks2walmart
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To: weef
The origins of the Great War of 2007 - and how it could have been prevented

After reading the entire article, political movie themes are at their pinnacle.

Global warming has been done, invasion from space has been done, numerous movies of ME conflict have been done.

A war in the near future is a most thought out idea for a movie to bring back the disenchanted who have left the theater for reasons of disinterest.

21 posted on 01/15/2006 10:48:53 AM PST by EGPWS
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To: pabianice

You mean like all the refuges who fled Hitler in WWII or those who managed to escape from Stalin and the communists?


22 posted on 01/15/2006 11:06:40 AM PST by protest1
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To: DCPatriot
The USA's birthrate is in a downward spiral, just like old Europe... Factual error happened. The EU is in a demographic death spiral. The US population is stable and ever so slightly growing. Thank you immigration for the same. While blue staters murder their unborn, immigrants of all hues (just hope the jihadi ones don't make it through) are streaming in, many to invest skills and capital.
23 posted on 01/15/2006 11:14:41 AM PST by voletti (Where there is no justice, there is only revenge.)
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To: weef
The Mullahs are mad but I have noticed that as they cheer martyrdom for their own people, they are very protective of their own lives. They do not wish to die. They will not attack Israel, so long as they have collective control. However, if one mad Mullah can gain effective control of a Nuclear weapon a launch against Israel is a very high probability. The first bombs Iran will be able to make will be Hiroshima type weapons that could kill tens of thousands or more Israelis. The Israelis have thermonuclear weapons and the neutron bomb.

If Israel is hit they would have the option of surgical nuclear strikes or massive retaliation meant to destroy Iran and or Syria as a functioning country. What was left would break up into sectarian fighting and feudal states. I would also expect a surgical nuclear strike on Pakistani nuclear facilities
24 posted on 01/15/2006 11:15:12 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud of it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: Zetman
My biggest fear with Iran is that while they are busy posturing out in the open, they will build a few nukes and secretly give them to al-qada (or however it is spelled!!). These would then be smuggled into the U.S. and detonated in a few of our large cities. Dealing with THAT would effectively cause us to retreat from the world stage for several years, at least. Which is what the Islamo-facists really want.

If nukes went off in this country and we did not know who did it, this country would take out the nuclear facilities of all terrorist nations.

That would mean good by North Korea, Iran, and perhaps the nuclear facilities of Pakistan. I would expect a surgical strike on their nuclear facilities with tactical nuclear weapons. After we were hit we would have the "weapon signature" of the nuclear facility that processed the fuel for the bomb. Once the isotope mixture is analyzed we would know which nation did it. I would then expect a strategic strike against that countries military, civilian and industrial base with the intention of maximizing destruction and death. In effect the removal of the offending society from the face of the earth.

(Do not kick a sleeping tiger in the butt, it makes him angry and hungry)

25 posted on 01/15/2006 11:27:34 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud of it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: trek

"For without access to US markets the Chinese would have to revert to making pig iron in their backyard furnaces for forging statues of Chairman Mao."

A historian, I see. There's alot of knowledgeable people on FR...


26 posted on 01/15/2006 11:45:00 AM PST by stormlead
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To: DCPatriot
"...thank you abortion and the necessity of a two income family to sustain itself."

Since it is clear we are fundamentally on the same side I will leave the rest of your post without comment. But on this one you hit a four bagger my friend.

27 posted on 01/15/2006 12:17:35 PM PST by trek
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To: trek

China and Tehran could allie themselves if China is preparing for a military move against Taiwan. THat would be a challenging situation for the U.S.


28 posted on 01/15/2006 12:53:45 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: DCPatriot

"The USA's birthrate is in a downward spiral, just like old Europe...thank you abortion and the necessity of a two income family to sustain itself.

Buy a clue, please?"


From the U.S. Census bureau @http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html
U.S. POPClock Projection
According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, the resident population of the United States, projected to 01/15/06 at 20:04 GMT (EST+5) is

297,913,225

COMPONENT SETTINGS
One birth every.................................. 8 seconds
One death every.................................. 12 seconds
One international migrant (net) every............ 31 seconds
Net gain of one person every..................... 14 seconds


29 posted on 01/15/2006 1:09:47 PM PST by theymakemesick (Sept 11th was perpetrated by GOOD MUSLIMS www.prophetofdoom.com)
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To: weef
This article is ridiculous. China wont even allow it's people to practice slow motion aerobics... you think they are going to embrace an Islamic theocracy?

ROFL !
30 posted on 01/15/2006 1:24:33 PM PST by conservative physics
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To: weef

One thing I can guarantee you: When Iran has both the CAPABILITY AND INTENT TO NUKE ISRAEL, ISRAEL WILL LAUNCH A PREEMPTIVE STRIKE. It will not matter what Bush or anyone else says, we learned our lesson at Dauchau, NEVER AGAIN! The mad mullahs are probably hoping that such a strike by Israel will turn the Islamic world against the U.S., and that may happen. However, if the Iranian people let their leaders threaten Israel, they will suffer right along with the leaders.


31 posted on 01/15/2006 2:16:30 PM PST by darth
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To: darth
When Iran has both the CAPABILITY AND INTENT TO NUKE ISRAEL, ISRAEL WILL LAUNCH A PREEMPTIVE STRIKE.

All else is speculation. But the above is a stone cold fact.

Israel can't "take a hit". Thus, if they have reason to believe the country is in danger, their leadership will strike first.

Everybody in the world knows this. Except, possibly, Iran.

And therein lies The Problem...

32 posted on 01/15/2006 2:34:27 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: weef

A nuclear exchange between Irael and Iran would likely include a nuclear blast directly on Mecca and other Muslim holy sites.


33 posted on 01/15/2006 3:20:15 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: weef

Ping for later read


34 posted on 01/15/2006 3:32:14 PM PST by Dstorm
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To: Dstorm

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B000CDG8DS/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/103-3596996-2694264?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

there are some good reviews of his work at Amazon;
I'm surprised he isn't more of a presence at FR and less of a presence at Harvard.


35 posted on 01/15/2006 4:10:33 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: weef

Thanks for posting this.

save


36 posted on 01/15/2006 4:16:46 PM PST by krunkygirl
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To: cpdiii
If nukes went off in this country and we did not know who did it, this country would take out the nuclear facilities of all terrorist nations.

That is only if a republican or a rare democrat is the president. I don't think most democrats will fight.

37 posted on 01/15/2006 5:58:01 PM PST by Angel
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To: weef; DoctorZIn
Great find.

Zin, ping.

38 posted on 01/15/2006 8:25:13 PM PST by steveegg (Take two - throw those long knives at the DemonRATs and lieberals - and include the RINOs)
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To: Jeff Head

Interesting Times ping


39 posted on 01/15/2006 8:32:57 PM PST by steveegg (Take two - throw those long knives at the DemonRATs and lieberals - and include the RINOs)
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To: weef

I think the author's intent is to encourage intervention. This sentence is completely false:

"Only one man might have stiffened President Bush's resolve in the crisis: not Tony Blair, he had wrecked his domestic credibility over Iraq and was in any case on the point of retirement - Ariel Sharon. "

No one is needed to stiffen President Bush's resolve. If Iran becomes a nuclear threat, we'll intervene before they launch.


40 posted on 01/15/2006 8:50:00 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (God is offering you eternal life right now. Freep mail me if you want to know how to receive it.)
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