Schwarzenegger's re - election chances up

The Argus ^ | Jan. 13, 2005 | Steve Geissinger

[FairOpinion]

A recent poll shows the born-again "moderate" Republican governor has gained back some popularity, especially in the Bay Area, and is now in a dead heat with Democratic competitors.

"Our survey demonstrates that Schwarzenegger's retreat from the more conservative rhetoric and agenda he brandished during the latter part of 2005 has paid off among middle-of-the road voters," said Melinda Jackson, director of the Survey and Policy Research Institute at San Jose State University.

The governor's job performance rating among voters in a Democrat-leaning state has climbed from 36 percent positive and 53 percent negative in September, to 40 percent positive and 51 percent negative this month.

[calcowgirl]

Tell me, Guy... How many forms do Conservative come in, in your view?

Many, which is why if they want to change representatives they should be independent and try it in the primaries when it is safe.

They come in many forms? How many? What are they?

When you say "they", are you referring to all forms of conservatives? Change representatives from what?

Sometimes three steps forward and two steps back, but it is the only way to get to the end goal of having far more conservative people elected to office.

True. But in the current case (Arnold), we are taking 1 step forward and tree steps back. This is not advancing anything but liberalism.

[FOG724]

Your list is wrong. He is pro abortion not anti and he negotiated better deals for the prison guards union. He has also tried to give licenses to illegals. He socialed one fifth of our state and this was before the special election.

[FairOpinion]

"That makes Arnold a garden variety communist, basically a closet fascist."

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Here you go again, insults and more insults, no facts.
And pretty pathetic insults at that. You must have gone to the "DU school of insults".

Just please explain, if you consider Arnold a communist, what do you consider Angelides, Bustamante, Gray Davis, Al Gore and so on? Are they the nice "conservatives" you would like to see as CA governors?

[FOG724]

Arnold was not the problem, a lack of conservative turn out in the special election was the problem.

Arnold was the problem the day he caved the first time, long befor the special election and blaming conservatives for that will not make it true.

[Carry_Okie]

The people denied themselves change by allowing the unions to continue to be a parasite on the state taxpayer.

Arnold gave us all the opportunity for change and conservatives pissed it away.

So far, no matter how many times you have made that charge, you have failed to substantiate it with any data.

[BlackElk]

A CA guy: Ahhhhhnold is as much a Republican as the late Bobby Kennedy the Elder. You faux "moderate" guys fool no one. If you lose your jobs, appointments, contracts and perks in your capacity as leftist termites in Republican woodwork because actual Republicans/actual conservatives REFUSE your left Gropinator their votes, then we justly call that REFUSING to kiss Demonrat backsides. When California sinks let there be name brand Demonrat control to blame unless there is a genuine GOP alternative which spineless Ahhhhhhnold is not.

I have earned my conservative pedigree the old fashioned way by putting conservative principle infinitely above the financial interests of money-grubbing materialists in GOP drag.

While we are at it, A CA guy, do you favor abortion being legal? If so, why? If not, why not? Whichever claim you make, provide proof.

[calcowgirl]

He was willing to be fiscally conservative and to take on the unions until the people screwed him, so he didn't start off all that left at all.

Man, oh man! You post the same BS on this thread multiple times and won't respond to posts demonstrating how wrong you are. Arnold is NOT a fiscal conservative, nor was he long before the special election.

[FOG724]

You keep talking about sabotaging the Republican vote as being a conservative thing when it isn't.

Bringing Arnold into the recall election did sabotage the Republican vote. I think you are projecting a little here.

[FairOpinion]

GMTA! :)

See my post 523.

We both had the same thought, probably for a good reason, Carry_Okie's posts do sound more and more like posts at DU, with no redeeming value, only ludicrous insults.

[FOG724]

what do you consider Angelides, Bustamante, Gray Davis, Al Gore and so on?

To the right of Arnold.

[Carry_Okie]

Here you go again, insults and more insults, no facts.

You don't want facts FO. Do you really want me to keep a list so that people can see the number of times you have failed to respond to a list of sourced facts? I can do it.

So, here you go again...

• He supported a Sierra Nevada Conservancy that Gray Davis vetoed, authored by a socialist from Santa Cruz.
• He has a appointed member of the Sierra Club hierarchy to the CalEPA.
• His hydrogen fuels program is a thinly veiled corporate agricultural scam. He SAYS he supports the will of the people in Proposition 22, but he signs legislation that subverts marriage in all but name.

  First there was AB205.

  On September 19, 2004, Governor Schwarzenegger signed Assembly Bill 205, thereby enacting the California Domestic Partner Rights and Responsibilities Act of 2003 (“the Act”).

  From another source:

  Assembly Bill (AB) 205 marks a new twist in the fiery national battle over homosexual unions by bestowing hundreds of spousal duties and privileges on domestic partnerships registered in California. State records show about 5,000 new domestic partnerships were registered in the state in 2004. California's registry now contains the names of roughly 28,000 couples, including gays and heterosexual senior citizens.

  Then there's AB 2208):

  Governor Schwarzenegger signed another bill requiring insurance companies offering policies in the state to provide homosexual domestic partners with coverage equal to that of married spouses.

  He didn't lift a finger to stop gay marriage and has signed "domestic partners" legislation that violates in spirit, if not in letter, Proposition 22.

• He continues to negotiate with Cedillo on drivers' licenses for illegals.
• The prison guards rolled him completely for a pittance now in return for more later.
• He "negotiated" minute concessions from the universities in return for more money later.
• He grabbed revenues from cities and counties with a promise to return it later.
• He "negotiated" a minute reduction in workman's comp premiums when all he had to do was copy Arizona's plan and put it on the ballot.
• He signed SB 50.
• He's raising more campaign money faster than Davis ever did, INCLUDING from the tribes he swore he would never solicit. In return for that he got a pittance compared to his the amount of gambling revenue he was boasting he would get. My bet is that the revenue won't even offset the direct cost of State social programs to deal with the results of gambling. Instead, he is well on his way to implementing organized gambling statewide.
• His planned "deregulation" of electrical rates has totally ignored the illegal contracts Davis' people negotiated under a conflict of interest.
• He used his popularity to foist a constitutional amendment that makes it possible for the State to balance a budget by borrowing and called it "cutting up the credit cards." From McClintock's analysis of 58 (http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/mcclintock/article_detail.asp?PID=262):

  "The second assumption is that Proposition 58 “tears up the credit cards” to assure the state never borrows to balance its budget again. Unfortunately, it doesn’t. Proposition 58 made no practical change in current law beyond suspending the oldest provision of the state constitution that for 154 years has prevented exactly the kind of borrowing that Proposition 57 now begins.

  "Under the “Balanced Budget Amendment,” a balanced budget is whatever the legislature says it is. Every one of the budgets that got California into financial difficulty was defined by the legislature as “balanced.” California’s budget deficits are the result of uncontrolled spending and dishonest accounting -- and the short-term borrowing to cover them -- and Proposition 58 does nothing to change that."

• He opposed Prop 54 (Racial Privacy), calling Ward Connerly et al., "Right wing crazies."
• He didn't support the Save Our State initiative.
• He abandoned the spending cap.
• He dropped pension reform:
• He abandoned merit pay for teachers
• McPherson (R) magically says nothing cam be done about redistricting until 2006
• He’s backing away from controlling illegal (per SCOTUS decision: Communications Worker v. Beck) union confiscation of political funds
• He endorsed Proposition 68 supporting open primaries, a proposal similar to Louisiana's famously corrupt election system.
• He backed the $3 Billion Embryonic Stem Cell Research, Proposition 71
• He tried to co-optTed Costa's effort to give California a just reapportionment system with one of his own and then quietly dumped his highly publicized effort in favor of Costa’s.
• He appointed a socialist labor activist to run the State Employment Development Department
• He appointed a person who advocates tracking every mile you drive and charging you for it as head of the DMV.
• He called the flood of illegals a crisis and said America should, “close the borders,” and hasn’t DONE anything about it since!
• Now that he’s run up the interest payments on the debt, he threatens a tax increase if voters don’t authorize more borrowing!!!

• He engineered killing the Republican primary because he didn’t want the embarrassment of running against a conservative on his record.
• He came in late on Propositions 73, 75, and 77 almost destroying the latter before the petitions were in and then, by rolling them into his agenda, it was the kiss of death.
• He offered bogus spending controls in Proposition 76 and backed a corporate welfare bill in Prop 78.
• So when he got spanked at the polls, HE HIRES GRAY DAVIS’ FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF!!! On the plus side…

• He appointed a talented auditor, Donna Arduin, to be Finance Director, but then didn't listen to her.
• He killed the Consumer Power and Conservation Financing Authority.
• He appointed Tom Campbell to be Finance Director.
• He appointed Nancy Drinkard to the Board of Forestry (an outstanding candidate) but didn’t back her up.
• He appointed Andrea Hoch to the state Division of Workers’ Compensation.
• He replaced Tom Campbell with a conservative, Michael C. Genest.
• He endorsed Prop 75 paycheck protection, but only after it qualified for the ballot without his support.
• He endorsed Prop 73 parental notification on minor abortion, but only after it qualified for the ballot without his support.
• And the biggie… He signed a ban on subsidized Viagra for sex offenders!!! Now that’s moral courage.

Other than that, he's doing a great job.

[FOG724]

only ludicrous insults.

You haven't been reading 68 Grunt's posts have you? The insults come from your side sweetie.

[68 grunt]

No, I've studied the history of the communist movemint ...

You've missed the chapter linking any communism to Arnie and you've also just walked off the deep end. You outta fess up about your own socialist tendencies, it would be good for your soul.

[68 grunt]

If I've insulted you, Farmfiend, please feel free to insult me back. I don't require surrogates.

[BlackElk]

Bustamente may be Hispanic but communist????? OK, let's suppose you are right. His reign will be followed by far better Republicans than Ahhhhhhnold, Wilson, Reardon or their pals ever will be. The suffering of the RINOs will be exquisite and the suffering of California will be an inspiration to one and all. Re-electing Ahhhhnold is no better than re-electing John Lindsay decades ago.

[FOG724]

You've missed the chapter linking any communism to Arnie

It would seem that post 531 did that nicely. Let's see you come up with a pro Arnie list just as long and just as well sourced.

[68 grunt]

Took me eight and a half seconds to space scroll past your drivel, Karaoke.

[FairOpinion]

You are twisting the facts so much, it may cause a hurricane.

I am not even going to address each one, since they have all been addressed before.

But here is just one example.

Here is what you claim:

"He continues to negotiate with Cedillo on drivers' licenses for illegals."

The truth is that Arnold got the Legislature to revoke their bill granting licenses to illegals, and when Cedillo put a new bill on his desk for the same thing, Arnold VETOED it.

You are misrepresenting all his other positions too.

You are no different than the Dems who do the same thing to President Bush.

I am sure you are still crying over Bustamante not getting elected. He would have been just so much more conservative. ( /sarcasm)

[calcowgirl]

You forgot those gun bans and that Global Warming thingie, you know, the one where he stands with Kofi Annan and Al Gore and their gobblydygook psychobabble science.

[FOG724]

If I've insulted you, Farmfiend, please feel free to insult me back. I don't require surrogates.

I don't require surrogates either. And I don't have any need to hurl insults. You do enough of that for the both of us.