Agreed in principle...and I used to think so. But then along came John F. Kerry.
Posted on 01/13/2006 11:53:53 AM PST by paltz
1. If the American people were really ready to believe that Kerry is an undisputed Benedict Arnold, he would not have gotten 48% of the vote.
2. If Kerry goes out now, he will be replaced by another traitor from Mass., only without any of the inconvenient baggage.
The center of gravity is the hearts and minds of non-conservatives. Millions have to be won before your plan has any gain in it for the troops, the nation, or conservatism.
"Millions have to be won before your plan has any gain in it for the troops, the nation, or conservatism."
It's the law of the land, plain and simple.
A soon to be 6-3 US Supreme Court is all that is needed.
"If the Constitution says that the little guy should win,
the little guy's going to win in court before me.
But if the Constitution says that the big guy should win, well,
then the big guy's going to win,
because my obligation is to the Constitution. That's the oath," he said.
Judge John Roberts 09/15/05
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html
Please, go ahead. Tell me how you will get the Congress (notice section 5) to do this. Tell me how all the folks who voted for Kerry (and all those who voted for Bush and didn't believe the Swiftees, like about 10% of the electorate) will suddenly decide that he's Benedict Arnold. Tell me how it will help any soldier anywhere to replace Kerry with another brain dead Massachusetss pol.
But most of all, tell me why people who want to hit just as hard on a different center of gravity are not merely wrong, but traitors. I'm still waiting for a proper explanation of that.
Generally after the fact.
Why do you assume the US Supreme Court won't do the right thing.
Have you lost faith in the U.S. Constitution
It needs no action by the US Senate at all.
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3 (1868)
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States,
or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath,
as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer
of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States,
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,
or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html
"But most of all, tell me why people who want to hit just as hard on a different center of gravity are not merely wrong, but traitors. I'm still waiting for a proper explanation of that."
Again, show me proof where I said they were traitors?
"and all those who voted for Bush and didn't believe the Swiftees,
like about 10% of the electorate"
Source please
"and all those who voted for Bush and didn't believe the Swiftees, like about 10% of the electorate"
Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345603/posts
Welcome home
Semper Fi
The point I was trying to make is why would an Intellegence Officer be in a place that he was not needed until he was needed.
Both you and I know, as does every Viet Nam Vet, that a lot of REMF's went forward to get some gold, in the Army it was the CIB, in the Marines it was (?), I don't know.
The point I trying to make is that a DD 214, except for the discharge code proves nothing, it is mearly a list.
Agreed in principle...and I used to think so. But then along came John F. Kerry.
There are many, and I am one, that think policies are not as important as character.
Answering someone's questions is easy. Watch me do it:
Why do you assume the US Supreme Court won't do the right thing. Have you lost faith in the U.S. Constitution
No I haven't. Now...where, oh where, is there anything that says the SCOTUS can decide to remove a Senator? And why do you keep citing the 14th Amendment without noticing Sec 5? It reads: "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article." SCOTUS jurisdiction would seem to contradict section 5...can you cite law otherwise?
Again, show me proof where I said they were traitors?
I did that in post 537. The evidence I offered is all direct quotes. Saying you haven't done it is like a guy saying, "I didn't call your Mom a prostitute, I just said she has sex with strange men and charges them for it."
Source please
I have no direct source, only speculation...but I advanced my speculation in terms that made it clear it was speculation. As great as the Swiftees were (and I was on board early) there is no way that:
1. 48% of the American people thought, "Well, he's a traitorous coward, but I like him for President"
2. There weren't any swing voters thinking "I think that swift boat stuff is a smear job, but that Kerry guy is an idiot. I'll vote for Bush."
So that easily adds up to over 50% of the electorate that would look dimly on an effort to remove Kerry.
There, now I've shown you how to answer questions. Am I going to get more skyscraper blab, or are you going to show me the respect I deserve as an American fighting man?
"or are you going to show me the respect I deserve as an American fighting man?"
Thank You for your service to our country.
But you still haven't answered my questions.
Do me a favor, ask some of the other vets on this thread,
what they think should be done about hanoi kerry and murtha.
I'll be gone tomorrow doing my own "support the troops"
on base, as I have done every single week,
often several times a week, since Oct 2001.
I'll check late tomorrow afternoon to see the responses
you have gotten from vets who think like I do.
There are plenty of them to ask just on this thread alone.
I asked you to cite the law that gives the SCOTUS jurisdiction. You have not.
I asked you to explain why your plan would actually work and why it would help the troops if we replaced this brain dead traitor with another brain dead traitor when we could be using the same energy for other things. You have not answered. Sure, you say it's the law of the land, but we have to "get a conviction" so to speak and you won't say how we'd accomplish it.
You have not answered any of my perfectly valid questions with a real answer. And don't give me this "ask the other vets" crap. So a bunch of us are mad at Murtha and Kerry. So what? To parahrase Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men, it doesn't matter how we feel, it matters what we can do. Having some angry vet ride me because I like to use tactics that actually freakin' work isn't going to change anything.
To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I didn't say it wasn't the law. I said that it wouldn't help anything. Kerry goes out, another troop-hating Mass Dem goes in. The public, 48% of which voted for Kerry to be C-in-C, starts wondering what the heck we're doing. We pay at the ballot box. No help for the troops, the nation or consevatism. And that's assuming your plan works. If it doesn't work, we get all the downside and Kerry gets to play the poor martyr stoically putting up wiith our persecution. Screw that!
Please, go ahead. Tell me how you will get the Congress (notice section 5) to do this. Tell me how all the folks who voted for Kerry (and all those who voted for Bush and didn't believe the Swiftees, like about 10% of the electorate) will suddenly decide that he's Benedict Arnold. Tell me how it will help any soldier anywhere to replace Kerry with another brain dead Massachusetss pol.
But most of all, tell me why people who want to hit just as hard on a different center of gravity are not merely wrong, but traitors. I'm still waiting for a proper explanation of that.
543 posted on 01/16/2006 2:53:28 PM EST by Mr. Silverback ("Do they sell walls there?"--Paris Hilton asks about Wal-Mart.)
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I'm not a veteran. My reply probably won't qualify without any Kerry/Dowd/Sheehan/Murtha moral authority. I was only created by a Marine, procreated with a Marine and created a Marine.
"Tell me how it will help any soldier anywhere to replace Kerry with another brain dead Massachusetss pol."
What an insult to SVPFT.
I stayed out of the Kerry medal scandal and intend to stay out of this one.
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