Posted on 01/12/2006 7:34:50 PM PST by jb6
MOSCOW, January 12 (RIA Novosti) - The Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia (FEOR) and Moscow's Main Interior Department decided to set up a working group to monitor the propaganda of anti-Semitism and xenophobia and coordinate efforts against neo-Nazism, a FEOR spokesman said Thursday.
The move follows Wednesday's knife attack in a Moscow synagogue that left eight people injured.
"We have decided to establish a working group to monitor anti-Semitic publications, mainly in the press, electronic media and on the Internet," Borukh Gorin said after a meeting between Russia's Chief Rabbi Berl Lazar and Vladimir Pronin, head of Moscow's Main Interior Department.
Twenty-year old Muscovite Alexander Koptsev was reported to have entered a synagogue in central Moscow and stabbed eight people with a hunting knife, leaving four in a serious state. The victims included three foreigners - an American, an Israeli and a Tajik citizen. Koptsev has been charged with attempted murder, causing premeditated bodily harm, and inciting racial or religious discord.
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I find it interesting that anti-Semitism in Russia is to be identified with NAZIism. But Stalin was not just a garden variety Russian anti-Semite (and certainly not a NAZI !) but one who was planning towards the end of his life a Jewish holocaust. This is historically documented - he even had begun his persecutions in 1948 and before his death in 1953 had the concentration camp sites constructed. Before, I sent to several interested FReepers a list of reputable books that elaborate on this. If anyone is interested, RSVP
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Stalin was poisoned by his close circle, not because they were Jewish, but because they feared for their lives. They knew that if Stalin had lived (as in the killed him the evening before his orders were to be in effect) that they: Krushchov (Ukrainian), Beria (Georgian), Molotov (Russians) and a half dozen others were all going to be dead. The doctor's plot was a cover for a general purge of the party, just like what happened in Mao's last years.
Could you please elaborate? Did Stalin really intend to wipe out the Soviet Jewish community, or did he intend on killing or imprisoning those whom he felt were less than loyal (which I suspect were a LARGE number).
Stalin, like most paranoid despots, always had to have (or create) an enemy. But most historians who have examined this area of his later anti-Semitism have noted a difference from his earlier garden variety "traditional" Russian anti-Semitism and his final plans to extend his purge to Jews. It's well documented that the Jews were to be added to the 20 million. Have you read, or would you like the titles, of some of the books that deal with this subject?
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Greetings -- two of the best works are (1) "Stalin's Last Crime: The Plot Against the Jewish Doctors". This is by Jonathan Brent and Vladimir Naumov.Brent is editorial director of Yale University Press and Naumov is a history professor who was on Gorbachev's commission to uncover the Soviet purges. And (2) "Stalin and the Jews" by Arno Lustiger, survivor of German and Soviet anti-Semitic purges. By the way, the first book received a good review in the Weekly Standard of May, 2003 by Stephan Schwartz.
Stalin btw was a Georgian, not a Russian. Lenin was a Tatar (he was nominally jewish also, something Stalin tried to cover up), not a Russian. The most notable folks that brought both to power came from Germany, Ukraine, Turkey, and Prusia.
What I find interesting is that when Nazi nationalist are in power in east Europe and their countries are holding Nazi parades conservatives suddenly jump to stand up for them. (Latvia for instance).
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Stalin was from Georgia but Georgia had been incorporated into the Russian Empire for nearly two centuries. To be sure, Georgian nationalism (into which Josef Djugashvili, Stalin, "Steel", was born) was still a dynamic force. Lenin had certain Tatar physical characteristics (high cheek bones, etc.) but he was still a Great Russian. He was born in Simbirsk and was baptized into the Orthodox church. His maternal grandfather (Blank) was a Jewish convert to Orthodoxy and was in every sense a "secular" person of no particular religious conviction. What apparently made Lenin a revolutionary(in part) was the execution of his elder brother for being involved in a plot to execute the czar. Lenin was in every sense (he'd hate this!) a comfortable bourgeois. His father was the equivalent of a superintendant of a school system and his mother a pious and loving parent. It was only when Lenin went to the University of Kazan that he became overtly involved in radical politics. After he was expelled he studied law privately and broke records in passing the bar exam. He was definitely a genius and had encyclopedic knowledge and incredible retention. In human terms he became a ruthless monster and one who was destructive of culture and all civilized values. But (paradoxically) in terms of his personal lifestyle he was a bourgeois and even likeable!
A biography I read of Lenin (which title I forgot this moment) pointed out that he was in fact raised in a German Lutheran home environment due to his mother's background (Volga German), and never identified with Russian society as a whole, which is why he lived a third of his life before the Bolshevik Revolution in German-speaking areas such as Switzerland.
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Maybe `aliyyah is the answer? Granted the Israeli government has recently shown itself to be the most anti-Semitic in the world (outside maybe moslem theocracies), but maybe enough Jews in the Holy Land will help to alleviate that problem as well.
http://www.bardito.com/language/lenin.html
Like many Russians, he was of mixed ethnic and religious ancestry. He had Kalmyk ancestry through his paternal grandparents, Volga German ancestry through his maternal grandmother, who was a Lutheran, and Jewish ancestry through his maternal grandfather (converted to Christianity). Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin) himself was baptised into the Russian Orthodox Church.
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The 1/8th is quite questionable. His father would have been Russian by citizenship but ethnically mostly if not all Tatar (Tatars don't get along with Russians to this day. I've been there. The Russians don't consider the Tatars Russian, and most Tatars don't consider themself Russian either.). And also the 1/4 Jewish (from his mother's father) and 1/4 Volga German (through his mother's mother)
Kalmyk is probably a better description than Tatar but ethnically they're really close (the Russians don't distinguish so much). Kalmyk are mongolian.
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0013969.html
There's a slew of ethnicities around Kazan of both Slavic and far east origins.
He was as another poster pointed out raised in a very non-Russian home, and also was actually very PRO-semite. (He often remarked how he felt the only intelligent Russians were Jewish-Russians, he hated Russians who he thought were stupid and chauvenistic)
This terrible attack on Moscow Jews in synagogue highlights that Russia really is in danger of falling under Neo-Nazi ideology. Many psychologically damaged and morally unhealthy youths in a moral and political vaccuum created after the fall of communism either joined the Nazis or chose to act like ones. Sounds terrible that the country that lost millions of its citizens against German Nazis now got homegrown Nazis, but this is a fact.
What I think Russia needs is a genuine strong pro-Christian and philo Semitic movement recognizing Christianity Jewish roots and realizing that hatred of Jews will not stop at Jews but spread to anyone who does not share Nazi ideology as history shown. Aliyah can be the best choice for most of Russian Jews, but in a long term, the genuine guarantor of security for faithful Jews and all civilized people is the spread and strength of Judeo-Christian value system and political regimes that promote it.
There are an estimated 15-20,000 nazis in Russia. This out of a population of 150 MILLION. The difference, they are loud and make headlines, the same tactic they use in all nations, to include America.
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