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To: VU4G10

"Fences on urban stretches of the border in California and Texas have pushed migrants to the Arizona desert"

IT WORKS! BUILD IT NOW!


2 posted on 01/12/2006 1:43:05 PM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: VU4G10

I believe personally that the military would solve the problem. A fence or wall would be too costly and hard to build...considering that troops on the border would eliminate the problem with much less trouble.


4 posted on 01/12/2006 1:45:17 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: VU4G10; HiJinx; gubamyster
Time for a quick primer on the actual current state of the physical border.

This is what most of our southern border looks like: there is no government-built fence at all. There is often just whatever is left over from some forgotten cattle fence, built privately to keep U.S. cattle from wandering freely into Mexico. For hundreds of miles there is not even a broken cattle fence, there is nothing at all.

For comparison, below the broken cattle fence photo is a sample of an inexpensive but highly effective double border fence system, with a plowed strip to reveal footprints. This type of system is very cheap and can be built with great speed.

Here is what some of San Diego County has: a wall made of rusty Viet Nam-era runway mats. The corrugations are even horizontal, (to make climbing easier?) The illegals in this photo were spotted by unexpected civilian volunteers, and jumped back over the border.

Here is what the border looks like where the runway mat wall exists. Mexico begins on the other side of the ineffective rusty wall, which actually helps the smugglers, by hiding their movements until the occasional USBP vehicle has driven out of sight.

This is how "the game" is played. Smugglers hide on the other side of the wall with their dope and/or their illegals, out of sight of the USBP. They wait for the highly visible white BP vehicle to drive over the distant hills. Lookouts with cell phones and walkie-talkies report on the current locations of the BP units. They know with certainty that "the coast is clear" for an hour or two, and the smugglers and illegals hop the fence and run into the scrub only 50 yards away. From there, they are out of sight, and they walk 1-2 miles to holding houses. Then they wait for nightfall, and are picked up and driven in vans to LA or San Diego.

Lastly, below is the Duncan Hunter 15' fence, which is already being built along a few "showplace" miles of San Diego, mainly near the ports of entry, where panderng politicians can conveniently show it off to gullible reporters. The House has approved building 700 miles of it, which would be a great start. As you can see, the rusty runway wall is seen at the left side, Mexico begins on the other side. In areas with the 15 foot fence, dope smugglers and illegals will have to cross the open sand ("the government road" as it is called) before starting to try to get over the 15 foot fence. It's extremely tough, and resists cutting. Attacking the fence would have to be done right out in the open, in full view of cameras. This type of fence, on the U.S. side of the government road, will give the USBP a barrier to patrol, instead of forcing them to chase illegals around 100,000 square miles of wide-open frontier land, which is a fool's errand.


10 posted on 01/12/2006 1:48:17 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: VU4G10

Politicians will accept the Guard or more enforcement on the border, because they know those can be easily removed later when the heat is off. We need twin 15 foot high fences exactly like the kind Israel has now. It works there, and it will work here NOW.


11 posted on 01/12/2006 1:51:35 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: VU4G10
IT WORKS! BUILD IT NOW!

It won't work, because it doesn't really address the causes of the problem. There are essentially two things driving it:

1. Americans are paying Mexicans to cross the border.

2. It serves the purposes of Mexican politicians to keep the flow of immigrants going.

a. It brings hard US currency into Mexico
b. It provides an outlet for the more "restless" Mexicans to leave -- we're talking here more about honest workers, though there's a criminal element, too.

No amount of wall-building will address those problems.

92 posted on 01/13/2006 7:27:48 AM PST by r9etb
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To: VU4G10

"Fences on urban stretches of the border in California and Texas have pushed migrants to the Arizona desert"

IT WORKS! BUILD IT NOW!""

It has occurred to me that if the invaders won't respect our borders and the existing fences, when they get to my neighborhood, they won't respect my fences, either!!!!


94 posted on 01/13/2006 7:33:39 AM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: VU4G10

so, let's build the rest of it. Otherwise, mexico will be crying about the US human abuses due to immigrant deaths in the desert.


111 posted on 01/19/2006 4:08:00 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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