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Need Help FReepers: got info?
January 11, 2006 | Froufrou

Posted on 01/11/2006 4:25:41 AM PST by Froufrou

Last night, I received a phone call from "Citizens United" and they played a message from their founder (I forget his name.) They specifically want to stop certain persons from voicing negativity about our troops: Sen. Clinton and John Kerry, by name.

I want to know if any of you FReepers out there can tell me about this group. I asked them to send info via mail and e-mail but I did make a pledge. OOPS! My FReeper check is in the mail...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: citizensunited; conservativegroups; help

1 posted on 01/11/2006 4:25:43 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Looks like it may be these people
http://www.citizensunited.org/


they are petitioning against Kerry, supporting Bolton and boycotting France.


2 posted on 01/11/2006 4:27:52 AM PST by gondramB (Democracy: two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch. Liberty: a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Froufrou

http://www.citizensunited.org/


3 posted on 01/11/2006 4:28:56 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: Froufrou
They specifically want to stop certain persons from voicing negativity about our troops: Sen. Clinton and John Kerry, by name.

What about free speech?
Everyone has a right to voice their opinion.
Perhaps I'm missing something.
4 posted on 01/11/2006 4:31:25 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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To: gondramB; DrainBamage

Sounds good to me! What do you think?


5 posted on 01/11/2006 4:32:53 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: MaryFromMichigan

Well, MaryFromMI, there are many people who consider it treasonous to vocalize sentiments that can and actually do bring harm to our soldiers.

Other than that, I don't think you're missing a thing. I personally feel that if someone is so unhappy here as to bash the people who defend them, it's high time to leave. Bashing Bush and/or anyone in particular is one thing, but I say leave the troops out of it or risk consequences.


6 posted on 01/11/2006 4:35:47 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: MaryFromMichigan

"There is a difference between responsible and irresponsible debate and it's even more important to conduct this debate responsibly when American troops are risking their lives overseas. So I ask all Americans to hold their elected leaders to account and demand a debate that brings credit to our democracy, not comfort to our adversaries." ~ President George W. Bush

The CIC says it so much better than I.


7 posted on 01/11/2006 4:37:37 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Sorry, but you are wrong.

They have a right to be wrong and idiots. Our men and women in uniform have fought for over 200 years to make sure that they can freely exercise that right.

I don't like it either and I would sanction our congress critters (like Murtha) who speak out as they did because they have a sworn duty to protect this country, but I would not want speech itself to be shut down, no matter how offensive. That doesn't mean criminal activity or doing anything tangible to aid an enemy should be overlooked as simply 'speech', but the First Amendment was intended to protect unpopular political speech.

If we can't disagree with the government, are any of us really free? Do you want the next Dem president to be able to legally shut you up?


8 posted on 01/11/2006 4:44:40 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: MaryFromMichigan
"What about free speech? - - Everyone has a right to voice their opinion. - - Perhaps I'm missing something."

Nope you're right on. I think what Citizens United is doing is making sure that as much of the public as possible is learning about who is and is not supporting OUR president.

Their strategy is not to shut down the opposition's voice but rather to make sure there is an EQUALLY LOUD VOICE that counters their untruths and also spreads the word about what's REALLY being done and being accomplished by OUR president and his administration.

9 posted on 01/11/2006 4:50:26 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Froufrou

A quick scan of their website is what I did and although that is not enough to warrant a full judgement of them, they appear to have some good ideas. Though I think boycotting France is a little silly.


10 posted on 01/11/2006 4:50:34 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (I know HTML. Just too darn lazy to type it.)
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To: harpu

You are right about that. The left is so loud and obnoxious that the uninformed can't help but hear them through media outlets and Hollywood and MTV. After all, the squeaking wheel gets the grease. I have heard H. Dean screaming from my house in NC.
But a really loud voice sometimes is still not enough to penetrate the thick skull of some die hard liberals.


11 posted on 01/11/2006 4:56:17 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (I know HTML. Just too darn lazy to type it.)
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To: harpu
Their strategy is not to shut down the opposition's voice but rather to make sure there is an EQUALLY LOUD VOICE that counters their untruths...

That I would whole heartedly support.

But this from the first post, "They specifically want to stop certain persons from voicing negativity about our troops..." on it's face, I would not.
12 posted on 01/11/2006 5:03:21 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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To: MaryFromMichigan
Ditto. I will NOT support anyone or any group who's intent and purpose is to deny another's 1st Amendment rights.

Let the liberal nutjobs be heard by all. They tend to make my more conservative case for issues much easier to advocate and defend.

13 posted on 01/11/2006 5:16:59 AM PST by DesertSapper (was staunch Republican . . . now looking for real Conservatives)
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To: MaryFromMichigan
A LOUD, BUT CLEARER [aka; 'facts'] VOICE is the best way to shut down Hollywood.

Your 'concerns' are coming across like a person looking for "fly fecal matter in the pepper". IMHO, you might want to consider spending less time splitting hairs [looking for reasons NOT to accept what Citizens United is trying to accomplish] and more time understanding their intent.

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14 posted on 01/11/2006 6:26:05 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: harpu
Sorry, but in my humble opinion, there is a world of difference between, "Their strategy is not to shut down the opposition's voice but rather to make sure there is an EQUALLY LOUD VOICE that counters their untruths.." and
"They specifically want to stop certain persons from voicing negativity about our troops."

One advocates broadcasting truth, the other attempts to stop dissension.
My 2 cents.
15 posted on 01/11/2006 7:03:41 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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To: MaryFromMichigan
Senators with special security clearances commit a crime when they discuss classified information. Free speech is not a blanket, unconditional right. For instance, it does not apply to doctor/patient or attorney/client privelege. It does not apply to classified intelligence and it does not apply to TREASON.

treason -violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
16 posted on 01/11/2006 7:05:23 AM PST by TaxRelief
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To: MaryFromMichigan
"They specifically want to stop certain persons from voicing negativity about our troops... : Sen. Clinton and John Kerry, by name."

You missed out the names of the "certain persons" and that changed the entire meaning of the sentence.

17 posted on 01/11/2006 7:09:22 AM PST by TaxRelief
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To: Badray; HOTTIEBOY

" Do you want the next Dem president to be able to legally shut you up?"

That's a good point. Besides, the damage Kerry did is water under the bridge.

And, yes, boycotting France is a bit silly. I've been there and they make the best gluwein.


18 posted on 01/11/2006 7:16:59 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: TaxRelief
Of course free speech does not apply to treason.
The post I referenced did not specify treason.
It simply said, "...stop certain persons from voicing negativity about our troops."

Have some politicians committed treason?
No doubt.
Is that criminal?
You betcha.
But do they have the right to say what they want, short of treasonous statements?
Yes.
Free speech ain't always pretty, folks.

Great discussion, though.
I don't usually chime in on the heavier stuff.
Catch you all in a bit....
19 posted on 01/11/2006 7:21:02 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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