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The Oldest Crime (Legalizied prostitution has nothing to do with Conservative Politics)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | January 9, 2006 | COLETTE DE TROY and MARY MCPHAIL

Posted on 01/10/2006 8:25:43 AM PST by presidio9

The sex industry is big business, and getting bigger. World-wide profits from prostitution exceed $12 billion annually. Of course, the women generally see very little of this money. The sex traders, whether legal "sex entrepreneurs" or illegal pimps, are the biggest beneficiaries.

Many countries have tried different approaches to control or limit its growth, from legalization to regulation, with decidedly mixed results. But with the sex "business" spawning cross-border trafficking in women and children and boosting organized crime across Europe, we can no longer turn a blind eye to this problem.

* * * As prostitution becomes more prevalent, it's also becoming more accepted. During this summer's World Cup, the city of Bremen estimates an influx of 30,000 - 40,000 prostitutes to Germany for the four-week tournament. Taking a lead from the Athens Olympic Games, the authorities in Cologne put up a complex of custom-built cabins outside the city, so men can buy access to women's bodies without tarnishing the host's good reputation.

But where will Germany find those thousands of women? The growing demand for commercial sex in Germany and the rest of the Continent can't be met by women from within the European Union alone. According to a 2003 London Metropolitan University study, 60-90% of prostitutes in the EU are foreigners. Trafficking in women and children is a key element of the sex industry. In its newly released report on forced labor, the International Labor Organization estimates that there are more than 250,000 sex slaves in industrialized countries.

Some "progressive" campaigners have, especially over the past 15 years, argued that the legalization and regulation of prostitution could reduce trafficking and help combat organized crime and money laundering that usually come with it. By making

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
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To: don asmussen

I know. Try reading it again.


101 posted on 01/10/2006 5:23:04 PM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: presidio9

Ho hum


102 posted on 01/10/2006 5:26:16 PM PST by don asmussen
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To: presidio9
Oh for God's sake, most of the left SUPPORTS legalized prostitution.

Really...I suppose you can support that statement? In reality if you checked you would find that it is the radical left feminists who are anti-prostititution, anti-pornography (and anti-everything-to-do-with-men); it is the "right" individualist or libertarian feminists who support the right of of consenting men and women to engage in commercial sex.

103 posted on 01/10/2006 5:53:21 PM PST by MRMEAN (Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. -- Tacitus)
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To: MRMEAN

Support your own statements. Radical left feminists see pornography as empowering.


104 posted on 01/10/2006 5:55:35 PM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: presidio9
Support your own statements. Radical left feminists see pornography as empowering.

I can support my statements, I demonstrated that William F. Buckly Jr., the father of the modern conservative movement, supports the legalization of prostitution, and all you do is stamp your feet and make inane and unsupportable claims.

The radical feminist left is represented by Andrea Dworkin, see her essay Vargas' Blonde Sambos...the commie lefty wench dissed the VARGAS GIRLS.

Also see WHY WOMEN MUST GET OUT OF MEN'S LAPS and Pornography: Men possessing women

105 posted on 01/10/2006 6:35:17 PM PST by MRMEAN (Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. -- Tacitus)
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To: MRMEAN

So, by your bizarre logic, Andrea Dworkin is the left's equivalent to Bill Buckley?

Libertarians love to drop names. The web is full of libertarian websites. Means nothing. Buckley's own logic for Legalized prostituion is libertarian by his own explanatin. The fact remains that if the right embraced legalized prostition in this country, we'd have it.


106 posted on 01/10/2006 7:02:43 PM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: agere_contra
"Five years after legalization women wouldn't be able to walk the streets without being propositioned."

You know that would be great argument except it is totally wrong. There are numerous countries where prostitution is legal right now and you don't see it what your saying.
107 posted on 01/10/2006 7:37:57 PM PST by ndt
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To: Herr Grossenpimmel
"Dirty filthy disease spreading WHORES They should be rounded up and FLOGGED "

you might want to check on immigration policies in Pakistan, you might like it there.
108 posted on 01/10/2006 7:39:14 PM PST by ndt
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To: presidio9
Prostitution is a real crime.

So similar to slavery

As are the attitudes of those who participate

109 posted on 01/10/2006 7:40:38 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Cat loving Texan
Vice squads should be dealing with real crime.

Why have vice squads, except as a way to make cops feel important?

The "crime" goes away, so should the need to police it.

110 posted on 01/10/2006 7:48:24 PM PST by logician2u
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To: af_vet_1981
"So similar to slavery"

How so? As long as a prostitute is willingly selling their wares, they are no more like a slave than someone who willingly takes a job picking cotton. FORCED prostitution IS slavery and nobody is arguing that it should be legalized.
111 posted on 01/10/2006 7:53:38 PM PST by ndt
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To: ndt
How so? As long as a prostitute is willingly selling their wares, they are no more like a slave than someone who willingly takes a job picking cotton.

Which just goes to prove that all those slaves were willing participants ...

FORCED prostitution IS slavery and nobody is arguing that it should be legalized.

Actually they are. They are simply pretending it is voluntary so they can have their orgasms. It is a con game they play with themselves.

The Spice Must Flow

112 posted on 01/10/2006 8:07:28 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: ndt
There are numerous countries where prostitution is legal right now and you don't see it what your saying.

It sounds like you have visited each one of them.

Sex tourism ?

113 posted on 01/10/2006 8:09:49 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: logician2u

Good point. And also we can get rid of drug rehabs. Nope... won't be needing those either in our libertarian utopia.


114 posted on 01/10/2006 8:14:09 PM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: af_vet_1981
"Which just goes to prove that all those slaves were willing participants "

What are you talking about? My ancestors were (white/Cherokee) cotton pickers. They got paid for their work (not much mind you) but they could leave when they wanted too. Slaves were shot, how the hell do you make that connection?

"Actually they are."

Do you have a link or are you extrapolating again?

"They are simply pretending it is voluntary so they can have their orgasms. It is a con game they play with themselves."

Oh, you are making it up I see. There MUST be an insidious plot so there is no point trying to discuss what is actually said when it is so much easier to argue against some unspoken conspiracy.
115 posted on 01/10/2006 8:14:14 PM PST by ndt
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To: af_vet_1981
"Sex tourism ?"

No, Travel.
116 posted on 01/10/2006 8:15:26 PM PST by ndt
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To: ndt

Your guilt is not my fault.


117 posted on 01/10/2006 8:16:12 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: presidio9
Another drooling, nonsensical reply by presidio9, the self-styled arbiter of all Conservatism and who can post what at FR.

So, by your bizarre logic, Andrea Dworkin is the left's equivalent to Bill Buckley?

What I said is that she is a respesentative, certainly one of the most famous and lauded, of the radical feminist left. You have utterly failed to support any of your pulled-from-nowhere statements, for example, "most of the left SUPPORTS legalized prostitution." The part of the left that is actively concerned about prostitution are the radical feminists, and they are against it.

You do know that prostitution was legal in most of the US until the early years of the 20th Century, when campaigns by 19th Century/early-20th Century feminists and the WCTU succeeded in getting it outlawed?

Libertarians love to drop names. The web is full of libertarian websites. Means nothing.

No. Libertarians love to use logic and facts; which appareled you see as some unfair trick.

Buckley's own logic for Legalized prostituion[sic] is libertarian by his own explanatin[sic] .

Woman, can't you even read? Buckley said:

I take a purely instrumental view of it, in fact I’m in favor of licensed brothels on the grounds, obviously not that I would endorse prostitution, but that I’m convinced by the data that one is better off under regulated vice than under unregulated vice in an age in which there is AIDS and other venereal diseases and today, in an age in which there are whole criminal subcultures and the corruption of minors as a result of the profit element of illegal drugs.

That is a pragmatic argument. Libertarians will also point out the pragmatic advantages of libertarian positions, but the actual libertarian argument for prostitution is that adults, as sovereign individuals, have the right to contract to provide and enjoy sexual services.

The fact remains that if the right embraced legalized prostition[sic] in this country, we'd have it.

There are many positions held by principled, intelligent leaders and members of the right that are far from being enacted into law.

118 posted on 01/10/2006 8:16:36 PM PST by MRMEAN (Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. -- Tacitus)
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To: af_vet_1981

"Your guilt is not my fault."

Are you speaking in parables?


119 posted on 01/10/2006 8:17:42 PM PST by ndt
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To: ndt
Are you speaking in parables?

Would a parable change your heart ?

I think not.

I think you have already made your choices.

120 posted on 01/10/2006 8:19:44 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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