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To: b_sharp

Don't be a hypocrite. The argument that religion must not be taught in science classes is nonsense. The courts have ruled, in the first place, that religion cannot be taught in the schools at all, unless it is somebody else's religion, like Islam or Aztec human sacrifice. The present decision which the Darwinists are all celebrating is based on the principle that no Christianity is allowed in the schools at all, not even on the football field.

Second, the sharp distinction between religion and science is artificial. If God exists, then arbitrarily ruling out all discussion of that fact hardly contributes to teaching the truth.

Religion and science have their separate areas, but Christianity traditionally believes that there can be no contradiction between true religion and true science. Darwinists, of course, although they will pretend otherwise, are basically atheists.

I'm not talking about partial evolution within species, which is really not controversial. I'm talking about Darwin's General Theory of Evolution, which was his only real "contribution." The general theory is a hypothesis, not a proven fact, and frankly, the accumulation of evidence over 150 years argues persuasively that it is false. The only way it can maintain itself is by striking what amounts to a kind of Muslim assertiveness. Darwinism must never be changed and never questioned. It must be taught to children in their formative years, and they must hear nothing to put it into question.


32 posted on 01/09/2006 9:09:45 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
The present decision which the Darwinists are all celebrating is based on the principle that no Christianity is allowed in the schools at all, not even on the football field.

So why no protests when the football players thank Jesus for a touchdown? Although I do admit to being perplexed that they don't seem to blame Jesus for turnovers and drive-killing holding calls.

43 posted on 01/09/2006 9:19:39 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Cicero
Don't be a hypocrite. The argument that religion must not be taught in science classes is nonsense. The courts have ruled, in the first place, that religion cannot be taught in the schools at all, unless it is somebody else's religion, like Islam or Aztec human sacrifice.

Wow, are *you* confused. No, that's not what the courts have ruled. They have ruled that schools can teach *about* religion, but can not *advocate* a religion in any way.

The present decision which the Darwinists are all celebrating is based on the principle that no Christianity is allowed in the schools at all, not even on the football field.

Nonsense.

Second, the sharp distinction between religion and science is artificial. If God exists, then arbitrarily ruling out all discussion of that fact hardly contributes to teaching the truth.

Which God? And what did He do, and what does He want? And how can you be sure that one (or more) God(s) actually do exist? Therein lies the rub.

Religion and science have their separate areas, but Christianity traditionally believes that there can be no contradiction between true religion and true science.

Tell that to the rabidly anti-evolution creationists...

Darwinists, of course, although they will pretend otherwise, are basically atheists.

Thanks for sharing your stupidity with us. No, actually, the *majority* of American "Darwinists" are Christians.

I'm not talking about partial evolution within species, which is really not controversial. I'm talking about Darwin's General Theory of Evolution, which was his only real "contribution."

ROFL! There's no such thing as the "General Theory of Evolution". You're clearly confusing Einstein's General Theory of Relativity with biology.

The general theory is a hypothesis, not a proven fact, and frankly, the accumulation of evidence over 150 years argues persuasively that it is false.

LOL!!! Okay... Feel free to share this "accumualate evidence" with us, the stuff that the professional biologists have managed to "overlook" but which you're privy to, that contradicts the conclusions of 99+% of actual biologists. We'll wait.

Be sure that in your reply, you deal with the vast amount of evidence which instead points overwhelmingly to the reality of Darwinian evolution, such as this.

This should be fun -- I await your response.

The only way it can maintain itself is by striking what amounts to a kind of Muslim assertiveness. Darwinism must never be changed and never questioned. It must be taught to children in their formative years, and they must hear nothing to put it into question.

Do even you believe this crap that comes out of your brain? I'm serious -- I'd like an answer to that question, because I'd like to know how anyone could seriously believe such transparent nonsense. "Darwinism" is based on overwhelming evidence and research, has been "questioned" endlessly in science journals and in the public forum (feel free to do so yourself if you wish), has changed in many respects over the past 150 years as new evidence has come to light, etc. So do you actually believe this twaddle you post, or is it just done for some pointless rhetorical purpose?

64 posted on 01/09/2006 9:43:08 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Cicero
I'm not talking about partial evolution within species, which is really not controversial.

There is no such thing as partial evolution. Either a species is evolving or it's not. If the species is evolving then, besides extinction, there is no cut off point that stops the process of replication, heritable difference, and natural selection from continuing.

92 posted on 01/09/2006 10:00:43 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Cicero
"Don't be a hypocrite. The argument that religion must not be taught in science classes is nonsense. The courts have ruled, in the first place, that religion cannot be taught in the schools at all, unless it is somebody else's religion, like Islam or Aztec human sacrifice. The present decision which the Darwinists are all celebrating is based on the principle that no Christianity is allowed in the schools at all, not even on the football field.

The argument that religion not be taught in science class is sound. Inserting religion into the teaching of the scientific method and the advances in knowledge that method has wrought will contaminate the procedures taught with the unfalsifiable.

"Second, the sharp distinction between religion and science is artificial. If God exists, then arbitrarily ruling out all discussion of that fact hardly contributes to teaching the truth.

The sharp distinction is a necessary restriction defined by the process of critical thinking.

"Religion and science have their separate areas, but Christianity traditionally believes that there can be no contradiction between true religion and true science. Darwinists, of course, although they will pretend otherwise, are basically atheists.

To accomplish this 'true science' it is required that any scientific finding running counter to a particular creation myth be ignored and/or rationalized away. This religious 'true science' spends more time twisting and shouting while attempting bend evidence than actually doing science. I notice a little twisting and shouting in some creationist's attempts to redefine Christianity.

"I'm not talking about partial evolution within species, which is really not controversial. I'm talking about Darwin's General Theory of Evolution, which was his only real "contribution."

His contribution is the recognition of the mechanisms of evolution.

The general theory is a hypothesis, not a proven fact, and frankly, the accumulation of evidence over 150 years argues persuasively that it is false.

The Evolutionary Synthesis is a theory (or as some consider, a group of theories). The change from a single population to two non-breeding populations has been observed. Speciation has been documented. That this speciation does not match the creationist 'kind' to 'kind' change is very important. All change takes place at the species level (including sub-species (races)), all other taxonomic classifications are simply pathways from one species to another. There is no requirement that anything other than incremental and cumulative parent population - daughter population divergence take place for radical morphological variation. If not taken in isolation, the ancient fossil record, which is just a set of sequential temporally separated snap shots, the modern fossil record, an area where the 'gaps' are smaller and less pronounced, and the gradual change directly observed in extant species gives a very clear picture of the results of evolution. Other scientific observations such as Plate Tectonics shows the results of cumulative changes taken over time when few limits exist. Creationists have to hypothesis, research and test such putative limits to evolution before claiming evolution just doesn't work.

I have heard many make the claim that the evidence for evolution is actually evidence against evolution but have seen little by way of explanation.

"The only way it can maintain itself is by striking what amounts to a kind of Muslim assertiveness. Darwinism must never be changed and never questioned. It must be taught to children in their formative years, and they must hear nothing to put it into question.

The tenets of evolution have gone through countless revisions and corrections as more evidence is unearthed and technology improves. Each correction brings the theory closer to perfect accuracy (although that perfection will never be reached).

126 posted on 01/09/2006 10:50:27 AM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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