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Inconsistent ridership hurting monorail
Las Vegas Review -Journal ^ | 08 Jan 06 | Erin Neff

Posted on 01/08/2006 6:14:33 PM PST by rellimpank

For a minute early Thursday morning, the Las Vegas Monorail could have passed for the New York subway's green No. 4 train dumping off riders at Yankee Stadium.

The cars were packed -- not 16 people filling the cars' available seats, but honest to goodness strap hangers. Riders numbered in the hundreds, not the teens, as they exited at the Las Vegas Convention Center for the Consumer Electronics Show

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: lasvegas; monorail

1 posted on 01/08/2006 6:14:34 PM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

--last sentence sums it up--


2 posted on 01/08/2006 6:15:58 PM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: rellimpank

Lite rail, monorail, mass transit bla... bla... bla... are just one of many liberal wet dreams.


3 posted on 01/08/2006 6:20:25 PM PST by StACase
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To: StACase

Hmmm.... I think it's time to move to Vegas and scalp monorail tickets for $3.


4 posted on 01/08/2006 6:33:18 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress
But few locals can forget the 107 days the system was closed in 2004 after bolts and a 60-pound tire fell off the system in separate incidents.

You couldn't pay me $3 to ride that thing.:)
5 posted on 01/08/2006 6:47:50 PM PST by WTSand
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To: WTSand

Last year during CES we queued up for 45 minutes in the rain to catch this stupid thing. This year I stayed at Wynn and took a taxi to the convention center and walked back. It was faster. The problem is that LV is spread out so much that you can walk 1/2 a mile to get to the monorail and walk another half when you get there. Again, each train has only 4 cars, not enough for peak times. This thing should have run from the airport in the first place. There should be conveyors taking people from the train to their hotels. If you 10 billion extra dollars, you could solve all of LV's problems. You make it go to the deteriorating downtown section too. Mass transit, while nice in theory is just not going to work in LV or many other places for that matter. To work, you need to have high population concentrations and many common destinations. That's why NYC's works better than anyone else's. NY's systems pays about 70 per cent of its operating costs. Forget about capital costs. There is not a system on the planet that is completely self-sufficient.

New systems that are fully automated might have the potential to break-even or turn a profit. However, when the government has the ability to interefere with pricing in exchange for granting of franchise rights, this becomes an impossiblity. Gov't price meddling and unionization helped kill NY's subways and led to a government takeover.

Therefore, mass transit becomes a societal cost. Therefore, the debate should boil down to whether the costs of the government providing this service, in its usual inefficient ineffective manner is worth the increase in taxes. But this debate never takes place. What you have is a group of union/construction outfits working their ways on the local elected officials. They lie and dissemble and push the project through. Then the inevitable bankruptcy occurs and the taxpayers get left holding a bag that they were destined to wind up holding anyway.

In NY, it is difficult to envision the City existing without mass transit. In Buffalo the light rail system destroyed the city's downtown. In DC, it is certainly vital and Uncle Sam picks up the price tag. In Europe, mass transit systems are just another socialist perk.

In Asia they are vital, but to my knowledge, money losers just the same.


6 posted on 01/08/2006 7:08:13 PM PST by appeal2
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LV should have done an escalator like in Hong Kong. In the am it goes down the hills to the financial district and in the pm it reverses to take commuters back up. It carries many thousands per hour.

Cars on rails is so 19th century.


7 posted on 01/08/2006 7:28:26 PM PST by RicocheT
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To: appeal2

Exactly,the monorail is a big white elephant/joke to local Las Vegans. Second only to the infamous "Spaghetti Bowl". It was obviously designed as a tourist attraction with zero thought as to practicality.


8 posted on 01/08/2006 7:37:51 PM PST by WTSand
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To: rellimpank
I rode the monorail many times last time I was in Vegas. I found it a bit more economical than taxis though a lot less convenient... the stops tend to be rather far from the hotels. I mean, at the MGM Grand stop, you've got a half hour walk through a mall before you reach the actual hotel.

Nevertheless, it seemed like a decent system. But the brochures touting it were quite proud of the fact that it was entirely privately financed. If it's going to tank, the investors should be the ones who lose their shirts. The public shouldn't be forced to bail it out.

9 posted on 01/08/2006 7:44:31 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: rellimpank; Willie Green


10 posted on 01/08/2006 7:46:03 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: rellimpank
Pinging Willie Green, pinging Willie Green...

It goes to show mass transit is a white elephant. There are the glowing promises of big jumps in ridership, profitability and reduced auto congestion. It never happens.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

11 posted on 01/08/2006 7:47:46 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RicocheT

Think you're onto something. Massive conveyors all over the town. My daughter calls them slidewalks. That is probably the only way to keep all those gamblers moving.


12 posted on 01/08/2006 9:11:33 PM PST by appeal2
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