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Rosemary Kennedy [Kennedy Family Values]
NNDB ^ | 01/07/05

Posted on 01/07/2006 11:24:27 AM PST by ncountylee

Born slightly retarded, Rosemary Kennedy learned to read and write, and through her early 20s friends described her as bubbly and personable.

Her famous family, however, feared that Rosemary might get pregnant, catch a venereal disease, or otherwise embarrass the Kennedys. To prevent this, she became one of the first Americans to undergo a prefrontal lobotomy, having the frontal lobes of her brain surgically scraped off in 1942.

This resulted in Ms. Kennedy's paralysis, incoherence, and incontinence. She was institutionalized for the rest of her life, rarely mentioned by the Kennedys or by those who consider the family American royalty.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kennedy; kennedyfamily; rosemarykennedy
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To: ncountylee

It is a crime what they did to her. And then they spend their lives promoting Speical Olympics events?? Total heartless hypocrites, the entire family. They still call them "American royalty"!? Considering how most royal families have acted over the centuries, it probably applies to them but in negative ways, not the glamorous ones. They are our own "Camelot" of course...and the media LOVES them forever.


41 posted on 01/07/2006 12:49:26 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: Restorer
Most people's opinion of it is based on One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest and other highly unscientific depictions in the media. There are believed to be somewhere around 50,000 Americans still around who were lobotomized. Many of them have lived quite normal and successful lives, although we will of course never know exactly what their lives would have been like without the surgery.

Here's another movie to get a taste/distaste of it: Frances, the Frances Farmer story.

42 posted on 01/07/2006 12:50:23 PM PST by 101st-Eagle
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To: MamaB; Kimmers
I think I read that he had this done and when it was over, he told his wife. IIRC, she was quite upset.

I read the same thing in a bio once.

43 posted on 01/07/2006 12:51:17 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Tevin

from the article

The family of Mary Lou Zimmerman would agree. In 1998, Zimmerman, a former bookkeeper who was then 58, visited the Cleveland Clinic to have surgery to relieve severe OCD. Zimmerman suffered from one of the most common compulsions, a fear of contamination. She spent hours every day showering and washing her hands, and neither drugs nor counseling could break the cycle.

A surgeon at the Cleveland Clinic performed two procedures in combination - a cingulotomy and a capsulotomy - burning four holes in her brain. More typically, surgeons perform one procedure, making two holes. It was soon clear that the patient had suffered crippling brain damage, either from the surgery, from an infection or from both, said the woman's attorney, Robert Linton, of the Cleveland law firm Linton & Hirshman. In June 2002, a jury in Ohio awarded Zimmerman and her husband, Sherman, $7.5 million in damages. "She is completely disabled and needs full-time care," said Linton. "This is an example of what can happen when an experimental procedure goes awry. There are real risks."


44 posted on 01/07/2006 12:54:34 PM PST by Tevin
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To: ncountylee

Be interesting to know how old Teddy was fore he could tie is own shoes. Now, he can't reach the laces I guess.


45 posted on 01/07/2006 1:01:01 PM PST by Waco
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To: RichInOC

>...and she was still one of the least embarrassing members of the family. How is it that Rosemary got lobotomized and Ted didn't?<

Or they could've castrated him...before or after Chappaquiddick.


46 posted on 01/07/2006 1:01:39 PM PST by citizencon
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To: MamaB
I think I read that he had this done and when it was over, he told his wife. IIRC, she was quite upset. I read this also, and Doris Kearns Goodwin repeats it in her book, The Fitzgeralds and the Kennedys,. She said Rose was on one of 'her endless trips to Europe', and was upset when she found out what Joe Kennedy had done.

Joe Kennedy must have feared Rosemary had inherited his immoral sexual genes when you consider the reasons he gave for having her lobotomized. He certainly didn't seem to mind that his adulterous lifestyle might have an effect on his family. From reports, he and Gloria Swanson did not hide their affair, and she was even on the same ship sailing to Europe with the family. His sons, unfortunately, did take after him, and their wives suffered the humiliation of being married to the philandering Kennedy's. The MSM wouldn't dare tell the public the truth...it might make people in Massachusetts face reality and have to acknowledge what a louse Ted Kennedy really is.

47 posted on 01/07/2006 1:02:20 PM PST by PeskyOne
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To: ncountylee

It's a wonder they didn't toss her in the Charles River after birth. I bet Teddy & 'Patches' wish they could lobotomize Joan right about now.


48 posted on 01/07/2006 1:05:49 PM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: ncountylee
The other Rose Kennedy, mother of them all, spent her last ten years drooling in Hyannisport, Massachusetts. Oddly, after she died, her estate, in the tens, if not hundreds of millions was settled in Florida, which has no state income tax of which she was a, ahem, "legal" resident. Yeah, right.

Sadly, Florida isn't naming anything after their great resident Rose Kennedy. However, Boston/Massachusetts politicos are naming the reclaimed land from the 20 Billion dollar and counting Big Dig the 'Rose Kennedy Greenway', even though, wink wink nod nod- she wasn't a Massachusetts resident. Or was she? Or wasn't she? Depends upon what 'was' means.
49 posted on 01/07/2006 1:08:44 PM PST by Leisler (HEY LEFTY! FREED TIBET YET?)
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To: citizencon

No, then he'd be impotent, but still stupid. Besides, Patrick was Ted and Joan's youngest, and he was born in '67. Chappaquiddick was in '69. So the damage was already done by then.


50 posted on 01/07/2006 1:09:36 PM PST by RichInOC ("...ahsk not what Ted can do for you...ahsk what you can do for Ted.")
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To: johnny7
I bet Teddy & 'Patches' wish they could lobotomize Joan right about now.

They would in a second without second thoughts.

51 posted on 01/07/2006 1:10:21 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Leisler
Don't you realize that taxes are only for the little people?? Why do you think all those mega wealthy Rats are so willing to raise them? They get to feel like they are helping the retched w/o having to pay. Do you think they ever pay any?

Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops
52 posted on 01/07/2006 1:13:25 PM PST by bray (President Bush Protects America. The Rats Protect Terrorists.)
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To: Restorer

Are you sure you have not mixed up lobotomies with electric shock treatments?


53 posted on 01/07/2006 1:15:28 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Excellent points! Tennessee Williams' mentally ill sister also acted out in a sexual manner so her mother had her lobotomized. Half of Mr. Williams' plays deal with this horror!


54 posted on 01/07/2006 1:19:33 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: martin_fierro
Instead of producing the desired result, however, the lobotomy reduced Rosemary to an infantile mentality that left her incontinent and staring blankly at walls for hours...

Sounds "almost" like Terry Schiavo, surprising the Kennedy's didn't just let her go "peacefully" without food or water/

55 posted on 01/07/2006 1:41:00 PM PST by The Brush
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To: ncountylee

I had heard this many years ago. The Kennedy's had a way of keeping it from the public, just as all dems have with anything in their closet.


56 posted on 01/07/2006 1:43:11 PM PST by Dustbunny (This is the day the LORD has made, let us be rejoice and be glad in it.)
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To: ncountylee

More about Rosemary, the lobotomy procedure done back then, and the doctor who popularized it:

http://lang.sbsun.com/projects/lostamongus/displayarticle.asp?part=3&article=art04_lobotomy&page=1

http://www.rotten.com/library/medicine/lobotomy/

http://www.23nlpeople.com/lobotomy.htm


57 posted on 01/07/2006 1:46:15 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: ncountylee

I wonder if Teddy stands behind his fathers decision?


58 posted on 01/07/2006 1:46:35 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: Restorer

Normal? I don't think so. Taunton State Hospital had many of the lobotomies living there under 24 hour watch. There was little in the way of drugs to control behavior. The wealthy took the same way out as the Kennedy's. Kennedy had the funds to keep Rosemary in a private place. Many just shuttled them into the state system. The cruelty of it all was very apparent back then and there was not one of us that could tell you it ever made a person function better.
Not one of them could function out in real life. They were far worse after the cruel and inhumane surgery.


59 posted on 01/07/2006 1:50:37 PM PST by oldironsides
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To: RichInOC

Her famous family, however, feared that Rosemary might get pregnant, catch a venereal disease, or otherwise embarrass the Kennedys.
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Now WHY would anyone EVER think a Kennedy might embarrass the family????

This is the most telling sentence in the article.


60 posted on 01/07/2006 2:02:22 PM PST by NCLaw441
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