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Three More NBC Affiliates Nix 'Daniel'
NewsMax ^ | 1/6/06 | NewsMax

Posted on 01/06/2006 2:56:53 PM PST by wagglebee

Three Kansas NBC affiliates have announced they will not be carrying NBC’s "The Book of Daniel.” KSNG in Garden City, KSNC in Great Bend and KSNK in Oberlin have responded to community concern and will not air the program.

They join KNSW-TV in Wichita, Kan., KARK-TV in Little Rock, Ark. and WTWO in Terre Haute, Ind., in refusing to carry NBC’s new series.

American Family Association (AFA) says that NBC has received more than 600,000 emails protesting the program.

After viewing the first episode at WBIR in Knoxville, several religious leaders gave their views on the program. Brian Kearns, minister at Lighthouse Christian Church, said, "I think it’s very demeaning to Christianity. It’s an assault on the Christian faith.”

Rev. Tom Seay of the Bearden United Methodist Church, described it as "just a pretty sorry piece of work.” Dale Powers of the Catholic Diocese of Knoxville said "You’re portraying something as normal that is just absurd.” And Rev. John Stuart said, "What the show has done is demean my faith. You’ve diminished the person I worship ... you’ve wounded me.”

Donald E. Wildmon, chairman of AFA, said NBC is running the program despite the loss of millions of dollars in advertising revenue. "Advertisers are shying away from the program,” Wildmon stated. "But NBC’s hostility to Christians and Christianity runs deep.”

The program’s main characters include Daniel Webster, a drug-addicted Episcopal priest; his alcoholic wife; his son, a 23-year-old homosexual Republican; his daughter, a 16-year-old drug dealer; a 16-year-old adopted son who is having sex with the bishop's daughter; his lesbian secretary who is sleeping with his sister-in-law; and a very unconventional white-robed, bearded Jesus who reassures the priest that his drug-dealing daughter and promiscuous son are good kids.

According to media reports, it is written by Jack Kenny, a practicing homosexual, who describes himself as being "in Catholic recovery,” interested in Buddhist teachings about reincarnation, and not sure exactly how he defines God and/or Jesus. "I don't necessarily know that all the myth surrounding him (Jesus) is true,” he said.


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To: Central Scrutiniser
Trying to censor something so that others might want to see it is bad.

Boy, that's strange.

You're a diver. I'm a diver. Getting a dive cert requires reading comprehension, yet you've exhibited a rather poor level of reading comprehension here on this thread.

Let's try that again, shall we? Incresing the font size should help:

It's only censorship if the government does it.

As for your implication that folks hoping to get the show pulled are doing so because they want more people to watch it, I'd say you need to bring evidence to back such a charge.

I never would have watched, except for all the furor.

Then I'm sorry to inform you that you are weak-minded and easily led. Whether the people who want to influence your daily activities are the network execs or Wildmon and his crowd, you did exactly what they wanted. "These aren't the droids you're looking for..."

101 posted on 01/06/2006 8:54:59 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Right, who's got a boil on his semprini, then?")
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To: Mr. Silverback

The folks that want NBC not to show it effectively want to censor the show from anyone that wants to see it. Its not only censorship if the government does it.

You don't want others to see it, so you want NBC to pull it. Therefore it is censored.

I don't care if you watch it, use your own censorship button on your remote.

I watched it because, unlike the screaming meemies on this thread, I figured I would actually see what everyone is condemning, so I could make up my mind, without you all trying to make up my mind for me.

Some of us are for freedom to choose what to watch, others aren't.

No one censors speech they agree with.


102 posted on 01/06/2006 8:58:43 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (What would Jesus do......for a Klondike bar?)
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To: GOPJ

What's Hollywood?


103 posted on 01/06/2006 8:59:22 PM PST by CindyDawg (Always Praying About Something)
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To: montag813
The secular crowd sees this as their opportunity to demean Christianity.

They want to promote their perverted views of life.

More like they want to ram it down Christians throats whether or not they want such putrid perversion on their TV screens.
104 posted on 01/06/2006 8:59:47 PM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: wagglebee

WSFA here in Montgomery Has an Opinion form on thier front page for people to voice thier concerns on Book of Daniel. They showed the premier,but have announced that they will not carry anymore episodes if the opinions they receive are negative.


105 posted on 01/06/2006 9:02:39 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: wagglebee
3. He is probably going to Hell.

Hey, I disagree with all his viewpoints regarding our Lord as well, but you have no idea where he's going when he dies. The Lord may not be through with him. Saying those things don't help.

106 posted on 01/06/2006 9:02:52 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: mewzilla
...if advertisers want to sell their wares to consumers in the red bits, maybe they should think about doing what they used to do in the good old days of TV and sponsoring their own shows. Then they could better control the contents instead of leaving it to Hollyweird to decide what everyone else should want to see.

Good idea. Where's P&G when you really need them?

107 posted on 01/06/2006 9:03:06 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: Zack Nguyen

Point taken, thanks.


108 posted on 01/06/2006 9:05:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: mbraynard
Why, of all programs out there, did they go with this one? What were they thinking at NBC? Surely they test this stuff before putting it on the air - or perhaps not.

That's what I've been wondering. Surely the powers that be knew that it was going to create overwhelming controversy and that some stations would refuse to air it. Surely they know that demographically, 2/3 of the population attends church, 80% believe in a literal hell and heaven, and 90% believe in a God of some form or another.

And the writer admits to being in "Catholic recovery"? It's obvious that concept behind this whole series was to make a mockery of Christianity.
109 posted on 01/06/2006 9:10:30 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: Jed Eckert
That makes it easy to boycott --

Rooms To Go -- Never heard of it

Toyota -- Over priced. I'm a Ford man, myself

Papa John's -- probably the only pizza I won't eat.

Just For Men -- is that the hair coloring stuff? I get my hair buzzed every few weeks so color doesn't matter. And my goatee is a nice shade of red.


Bill Dance Chevrolet (Orlando, Fl dealership)-- as I said, I'm a Ford man (and across the country)
110 posted on 01/06/2006 9:21:00 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: HawaiianGecko
Surely true believers are confident enough in their faith that a silly drama or comedy . . . isn't going to influence them.

You raise a good point, not unlike the argument that, if one does not like what's on the boob toob, he can ditch it or change the channel. As a true believer I'd like to respond to that notion.

First of all, my concern is not only for what might influence me. Firm as I am in my convictions, my concern extends also to what might influence my neighbor. I don't want my neighbor to suffer philosophical, political, theological malfeasance any more than I would want to carefully steer his feet toward a fresh pile of cow manure.

Secondly, this kind of inflammatory, mediocre programming is an abuse of mass media. There are too many better things that could be placed on the screen, starting with reruns of Gilligan's Island.

Thirdly, I've had enough of blow-hard Hollywood and mainstream media bullshit. (Pardon my English.) The best recourse is to point out, publicly and clearly, the inflammatory abuses generated by those who think it is of some benefit to rub the public's nose in a stinking pile. Human decadence is a natural occurrence. It is a disservice to mankind to see it broadcast.

111 posted on 01/06/2006 9:24:19 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: wagglebee

No problem - God bless!


112 posted on 01/06/2006 9:41:06 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Aquinasfan
Daniel Webster? Ain't that freakin' original. The bath house boys are really getting pathetic.
113 posted on 01/06/2006 9:41:54 PM PST by isrul
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To: Central Scrutiniser
The folks that want NBC not to show it effectively want to censor the show from anyone that wants to see it. Its not only censorship if the government does it.

When the customers of a business ask a business to do something and it responds, that is a business transaction. You can call that business transaction "censorship" all you want, but that won't make it so. Strange how if this show is popular or if it goes down in flames from bad ratings folks like you would call that "market forces," but if the network decides that urinating on 80% of the American people is a bad idea because of some customer input, that's "censorship."

You don't want others to see it, so you want NBC to pull it. Therefore it is censored.

No, I want the network to refrain from treating the Savior of the world as a hack character to screw with. If you're going to keep up the contention that there's some other dark, control-freak motive, you need to bring some evidence.

I don't care if you watch it, use your own censorship button on your remote.

Well, when NBC does a show making Frank Zappa out to be a child molester I guess you can use your "censorship button" too.

I watched it because, unlike the screaming meemies on this thread, I figured I would actually see what everyone is condemning, so I could make up my mind, without you all trying to make up my mind for me.

Sorry, I don't see any posts in this thread to you before you arrived. In other words, no one in this thread tried to make up your mind. You seem obsessed with the idea that people are trying to control your life, when in fact those people have no interest in doing so. And yet, you are easily led, and even convince yourself that your sheeplike tendencies are a sign of independence: "These aren't the droids you're looking for." "These aren't the droids we're looking for."

Some of us are for freedom to choose what to watch, others aren't.

Wildmon types write some letters.
You organize a pro-Daniel campaign and write letters.
NBC reads the letters and decides how to respond to cusomer input.

How does that sequence involve somebody's freedom being taken away again? Can you cite the clause in the Constitution that outlines the freedom we're violating when we ask NBC to replace this show?

No one censors speech they agree with.

And nobody doesn't like Sara Lee. Repeating that statement endlessly won't make it insightful. It means nothing, and it has nothing to do with this situation.

114 posted on 01/06/2006 9:50:26 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Right, who's got a boil on his semprini, then?")
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To: Mr. Silverback

Bilge

You just want to be in charge of what other people watch on TV. You want to remove choices from someone, because you are offended. Too bad, its still America, not a theocracy.

Did you even watch the show, or are you relying on group think to make up your mind?

Go play Taliban somewhere else, where its still allowed.


115 posted on 01/06/2006 9:53:34 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (What would Jesus do......for a Klondike bar?)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Bilge

Yes, it's such crap you're easily refuting it with great insight and direct answers to my questions. Oh wait, that's not what you're doing at all.

You just want to be in charge of what other people watch on TV.

Evidence. Evidence. C'mon, chant it with me...evidence...evidence...Oooohhhhhhmmmmm

You want to remove choices from someone, because you are offended.

No, I'm 100% behind your right to write a nice letter to NBC asking them to run whatever garbage you'd like to see. You are opposed to me writing them to express my opinion, yet you actually believe that you're the one who supports individual freedom more. Sorry, no cigar.

Too bad, its still America, not a theocracy.

I chuckle warmly at the idea that asking a TV network to replace a show is somehow equivalent to the actions of the governments of places like Iran and Myanmar. Oh, and what part of the Constitution was it again that says I don't have the right to contact a business about their product mix? Surely an expert on civil liberties such as yourself should have no trouble citing it. Here, I'll even save you going to Google and give you a link to the text.

Did you even watch the show, or are you relying on group think to make up your mind?

Pretty good shot, except for the three flaws that turn it into crap:

1. Unless you've never, ever, relied on the opinion of another person before choosing to spend your time on a movie or TV show, you are being a hypocrite. Do you watch the 700 Club? If you don't, how do you know that Pat Robertson isn't the wonderful soul of wit and tolerance?

2. Group think is a very different psychological phenomenon than the one you're describing. What you would be describing is known in very technical language as "reading an article about a show and then not watching it." For a rundown on what group think is, take Intro to Psych at your local community college.

3. The only way my opinion of this situation would NOT be justified is if the last two paragraphs of the posted article (and many similar media reports) are complete lies. So, you saw the show...is it about "a drug-addicted Episcopal priest," etc, etc. or not?

o play Taliban somewhere else, where its still allowed.

Aw, that's cute.

The Taliban made men wear a certain type of beard, or be subject to criminal prosecution. They beat women for showing ankle and stoned them for premarital/extra-marital sex. If another man beat your wife with a rod at the market because she didn't move out of his way fast enough, well, too bad for you, and her. They said girls couldn't learn to read, women couldn't leave the house without a male relative, and you couldn't own a TV or listen to music. OPh, and then there was that little thing where they harbored Al-Qaida and helped get the 9/11 attacks on the ground.

But you figure a bunch of folks writing letters to a TV channel is the same thing. Bravo! That's real keen rreasoning.

Normally at this point I'd recommend you reach for the yellow-and-black striped handles located on either side of your seat so you can get out before the flames reach your main fuel tank, but this is kinda fun! Feel free to come on back at me, and make sure you hit me with that devestating "anti-letters" provision in the Constitution! Can't wait!

116 posted on 01/06/2006 10:26:18 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Right, who's got a boil on his semprini, then?")
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To: Mr. Silverback

Lots of words, very little substance.

You don't have the common sense to just not watch the show, instead you gotta impose your beliefs on everyone else and try to get it banned.

That is cowardly.

Just don't watch. The free market will decide if the show sinks or swims.


117 posted on 01/06/2006 10:43:12 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (What would Jesus do......for a Klondike bar?)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
 
I understand your point and truly have no conflict with it. You say you would not want to steer your neighbor's feet toward a fresh pile of cow manure. I hold that as an indication that you are an upstanding, moral and good person.

I also want to point out in advance that I am a God fearing man. I go to church every week, as does my entire family. We say grace before meals and there are probably better than a dozen bibles scattered around my home including a couple of monsterous 'study bibles' that explain every passage in the book.

However, I do view America as a place of choice. I believe the constitution gives us freedom of religion meaning we can worship as we please. I don't believe it says 'worship as you please so long as you worship the father, son and holy ghost.'

There are religions in our country that don't believe in Jesus as the son of God and (I'm guessing) wouldn't find this show repugnant.  I haven't seen it so I really cannot respond to how inflammatory it is to Christians. I have seen a trailer of it and I thought it was funny. Since then I have heard the critics say it's a drama so the trailer may have been a bit disingenuous.

I don't believe that God gave me the chance to live in the United States, I believe that America gave me the opportunity to believe in God.  I really can't stand  listening to Michael Moore or watching any of his films, but I've given two of them a showing just to see what my belief system is against. I didn't particularly care for The Passion of the Christ, but I saw it on the big screen and purchased the DVD so Gibson could set a record and 'stuff it' to the people who were attempting to keep his film from showing.

I agree with you that the secular/liberal/leftwing/Hollywood, whatever the appropriate buzzword in vogue today is, does appear to be actively using mass media in an attempt to destroy moral values in this country. 

I simply choose to use their absurdity as fuel for strength. I have 4 children from 21 to 35 and six grandchildren from 4 weeks to 15 years old and they have all been exposed to these 'evil' people, their shows and liberal arts colleges of their choice and they are all perfectly wonderful people.

Thirty seven years ago as a freshman I read The Man Who Corrupted Hadleyburg by Mark Twain; a short story about a town whose people were shielded from temptation all of their lives. I'm not going to go into the ethical lesson of this short, but I have endeavored to apply Twain's crux to my life.

Remember the words spoken by Jesus from the Mount of Beatitudes overlooking the Sea of Galilee: "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." (Matthew 5:38:45 Sermon on the Mount)

It is my belief that the context in which Jesus Christ was speaking, in essence,  was telling those gathered there before Him, as well as us today, that Christians are not to respond to religious persecutors as though they were common criminals.

He didn't, however, say we couldn't make fun of them!


118 posted on 01/06/2006 10:47:38 PM PST by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: Mr. Silverback; cardinal4

As the President says, "Bring 'em on!"


119 posted on 01/07/2006 4:54:54 AM PST by Ax (Sky King, Sky King, Do Not Answer, Do Not Answer)
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To: wagglebee
The solace I feel is in the fact that everyone involved in this "show" will burn in hell. satan will be their little playmate. They are NOT going to like his games!

I love Jesus. He is KING baby! It is his kingdom I long for.

Freedom (free will) given to us by GOD allows these types of blasphemy to exist. GOD also built in a "price" to be paid for doing so. This will be onetime that "bankruptcy" will NOT be allowed. These accounts will be "Paid in Full"!

LLS
120 posted on 01/07/2006 5:20:33 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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