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1 posted on 01/06/2006 1:15:16 PM PST by Junior_G
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Sorry, couldn't resist a little humor here.

57 posted on 01/06/2006 1:33:40 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is the Religion of Peace, they should BEHEAD their PR guy!)
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You can get a Savage bolt action in .30-06 (Model 110, I think) for about $400. Use 220 grain bullets for the elk and 150 grain bullets for deer. Learn to shoot with the iron sights and save yourself a $200 scope. The plus with .30-06 is every little country store around a hunting community will carry ammo.


59 posted on 01/06/2006 1:34:37 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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Boy, now you're in for it. Everyone has his own idea about what makes the best deer rifle.


63 posted on 01/06/2006 1:37:56 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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What deer, and where will you be hunting them?

Talk to local hunters, discuss with your instructors at the hunting course, buy the best rifle you can afford.

Remember, opinions are like a certain bodily orifice, we all have one.
64 posted on 01/06/2006 1:38:31 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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Remington 700.
Savage 110FP.

high price and low price. I have both and they are both good!

.308 Win or 30-06.

Don't get "overgunned".


76 posted on 01/06/2006 1:43:17 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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It is of course, totally subjective, but for the money you can't beat a remington 700 bolt action. The caliber probably depends on where you hunt and if you plan to do other kinds of hunting with it in the future, but a 30.06 is always a safe choice. Don't skimp on the scope either. Stick with a good brand like Leupold. Get good mounts, too.


78 posted on 01/06/2006 1:44:58 PM PST by Casloy
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Some of the most accurate rifles ever made were the Remington models 78 and 788. The 78 was the long action and most common in 30-06. The 788 was the short action and common in the 243 & 308.

These were Remington's least expensive rifles and the story was that the production manager was fired for spending too much money to manufacture them. Production ended around the early 80's.

You can find these in estate sales, classified adds and gun shows. If you don't talk about the firearm much, they are inexpensive. Look for one that appears to be in very good condition.

Accuracy could be expected in the sub one inch and with the right diet, even better. My 78 in 30-06 will put three holes touching each other at 100 yards with handloads. Varmints aren't safe out to 400yds.

79 posted on 01/06/2006 1:46:56 PM PST by Deguello
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Yarddog asked the same question a year ago.

I'd recommend a Tikka T3 from Sako. Very accurate rifle. A Leupold Rifleman scope would be an affordable scope. Almost any caliber would work. I have a .270. 30-06 works, too. Comes with a 3 or 4-round detachable magazine depending on caliber. You can also purchase a 5-round detachable magazine. Barrel is free-floating. Single-set triggers are available. Trigger can be adjusted, between 2 and 4 pounds. Set at 3 pounds at factory. Scope mounts included. Drilled and tapped for Weaver-type bases.

check out www.gun-tests.com

86 posted on 01/06/2006 1:52:04 PM PST by Simo Hayha (An education is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to protect oneself from harm.)
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If you're hunting both deer and elk you want a caliber that offers a fairly wide range of bullet weights. You can go as low as, say, a 7x57 Mauser for a VERY comfortable deer rifle at 110 - 125 gr. and still hunt elk if you "bulk up" to 175 gr. Karamoja Bell used one of these on elephant, but I wouldn't recommend that.

A .270 is in that range - a .243 might be a bit light for elk, IMHO, but maybe not. 30/06 is sort of a wonder cartridge but you still have to choose the proper bullet. .308 is roughly the same. 7 mm Remington Magnum will certainly fit the bill if you don't mind a higher-recoil platform - I would NOT recommend a 6-lb rifle in 7mm Rem. Mag. I own one. It hurts, but I'm a bit of a wuss.

You might find something in an older cartridge such as a .257 Roberts (one of my favorite old guns) that could still reach up to elk. There are obviously many more. I wouldn't recommend a 30-30 for elk due to its trajectory but it's a handy little gun in lever action and has probably popped more deer than any other caliber.

Save some money for decent glass. You can do quite well with fixed-power scopes in the 4 to 7 power range but a variable isn't all that much more, and a 2-9 power is usually the limit for the game you're after at the range you're likely to find it.

Avoid the big boomers - they're going to cost a lot of money anyway. There's a lot to be said for popping a .338 Lapua off at a bad guy at 1000 yards, but you're not there yet. .300 Win Mag would be the same story. You'll own one someday...

87 posted on 01/06/2006 1:53:07 PM PST by Billthedrill
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If you want a good chase -

Try hunting with one of these

90 posted on 01/06/2006 1:54:36 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (13th AF, 3rd TFW, 3rd AGS, 3rd AMU - ESC The Blue Screw will get you too! 86-89)
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My advice? If ya need one, go buy one!


91 posted on 01/06/2006 1:54:44 PM PST by Don Carlos (Democrats: Home-grown surrender monkeys.)
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I'm going to take a slight tangent on you, if you are considering a semi-auto. I have more rifles than I need and not as many as I want. But, the one I enjoy carrying more than anything in the north woods of Wisconsin is the Ruger Mini-30. The 7.62x39 round is dirt cheap and has ballistics that are just a skosh less than a .30-30 in terms of energy and trajectory (what is a "skosh", anyway?). But, gee, I enjoy carrying it. I'm a hunter that believes in well-placed shots and with a good hunting round made by Remington, Federal, Winchester, or the like, it has dropped every animal I have pulled the trigger on. At the range, the cheaper ammo is just great fun and it won't break the piggy bank. Now, if you are shooting at longer ranges out west..........it should not be your choice. Just my thoughts...........

Lando

92 posted on 01/06/2006 1:55:51 PM PST by Lando Lincoln (God bless Jared Linskens and his family.)
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Someone mentioned the Swiss K-31. Good choice and excellent value. These can be found for around $100-$125. Another good value in military surplus would be a Turkish Mauser, Model 38. These are plentiful on the online auction sites and can be found in the $75-$125 range. There is a wide variety of very inexpensive surplus 8mm Mauser ammo available for these rifles. One more military surplus rifle to consider is the Mosin Nagant, Model 91/30 or the M-44 carbine. These Russian rifles are a good bargain and are chambered in 7.62x54.


100 posted on 01/06/2006 2:07:54 PM PST by Godebert
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Get an SKS50 with a 50 shot clip :)


102 posted on 01/06/2006 2:09:21 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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Deer?

I was in the same predicament, got lots of advice, and ended up with a fine rifle (Browning A-Bolt .270). But knowing what I know now, most decent bolt-action .270s will kill deer at relevant ranges.

All the main makes of rifles will have quite good out-of-the-box accuracy. Unless you're already a sniper, you'll probably not notice one that is 1/2 inch worse than another. They'll all kill deer very nicely.

The .270 has the advantage of a relatively flat trajectory, while still packing plenty of punch. The .30-06 has the same general configuration and powder load, but it pushes a bigger bullet, so the trajectory is a little loopier. Some of the bigger cartridges being proposed here (.308) are going to hurt your shoulder more, and you'll develop a flinch. They're not necessary for deer, but are excellent for Elk or Terrorists at long distances! ;-)

What I would recommend is to get a .270 bolt action that you like the feel of, and practice practice practice. I suspect you'll be most accurate with a gun that you are happy to use, and do use regularly.

P.S. - Optics can / should cost you almost as much as the rifle. Some people swear you should buy more scope than rifle. I have two scopes, and the better one makes a remarkable difference. It turns dusk into daylight and that's when the critters are on the move!


103 posted on 01/06/2006 2:10:57 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Surrender! - Vote Democrat.)
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With a limit of around $300 you should probably go used. You can get a nice used bolt action with scope for that. Try to find one with a scope already mounted.

For some reason, a rifle and scope sell used for about the same as a rifle without a scope. That is why I always remove a scope before I sell one of mine.

Any name brand, Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Browning, Savage, or CZ will be fine. Try to get a common caliber, for instance 30-06, 7MM Remington mag, etc.

It would be a good idea to take someone with you who is knowledgeable but not locked to any one brand.

The Marlin 1895 in 45-70 would be excellent if you don't mind recoil.

I would not recommend any military surplus rifle despite the fact that many of them are great rifles. Most of them are sighted in at something like 300 meters and often mounting a scope is difficult.

I will admit to loving Swedish Mausers, and for that matter any Mauser or 03 Springfield but remember their shortcomings I mentioned.

105 posted on 01/06/2006 2:12:50 PM PST by yarddog
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Ruger Model 77 with a Leupold Vari 3 3x9 scope in either .270, .30-06, or .300 Win Mag ( depending on what yu want to hunt and where ). Ammunition is plentiful.

I also like my model 94 Winchester .30-.30. Great brush gun.


106 posted on 01/06/2006 2:13:55 PM PST by One Proud Dad
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Marlin 30-30. It will sell well if you want to trade up.

If you want more range, a .308 bolt gun from Winchester or Remington.


107 posted on 01/06/2006 2:14:16 PM PST by Tarpon
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Several people have said it but i will reiterate.

Deer or elk (Moose)

.30-06 (.30 in./7.62 mm bullet) is a good all around cartridge for most north american game. You load the round for the game you plan to take. Light fast load for deer and heavy bullets for elk/moose.

7.62x51 (.308 win) is also a good round. But lacks the case capacity of the .30-06.

.270 is a good flat shooter that many like. Good for most game. Good selection of bullets and loadings available. Easier on the shoulder too.

I would go with something in .30-06. You wont need any thing bigger unless you plan to hunt bear or mountain goat. If going after bear .458 Win mag, .460 Weatherby, or .50 Alaskan are best. The .30-06 with 200+ grain bullet will take down bear, but without much of a safety margin.

Go with a bolt action. They almost never jam, unlike self loaders. Lever action rifles require flat nosed bullets to avoid accidental detonations (pointed bullet against primer in tube, bad idea.)

Unless you want a surplus fire arm. Go with a new rifle. Anything with a Mauser type action. Positive extraction is a must. The bigger the extraction lug the better, don't want that dinky little one breaking when that bear wants you elk.

You could join a Civilian marksmanship Program club and get an 1903 Springfield or 1917 Infield in 30-06. But neither takes a scope well.

Sights. Be sure the rifle has fixed iron sights, you will need them when you drop your rifle and break the scope dodging that bear that wants your moose. But get a good scope too. 4x unless you plan to shoot over 100 yards on a regular basis. Some of the newer reflex sights are good too, but can cost more than the rifle.

Get a .22 cal in the same configuration as what ever rifle do buy. Equip it with the same iron sights and mounts for your big guns scope. This makes practice easier.
112 posted on 01/06/2006 2:22:25 PM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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Remington 700 in .308.

Cheap ammo, very accurate, not expensive.

And oh yeah, it is the basis for the military sniper rifle in .308.


113 posted on 01/06/2006 2:24:47 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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