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BREAKING: FLORIDA SUPREME COURT STRIKES DOWN SCHOOL VOUCHERS
AP

Posted on 01/05/2006 8:32:55 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

TALLLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- The Florida Supreme Court has struck down the state's school voucher system that paid for some students to attend private schools.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: education; florida; judgislators; privateschools; ruling; tyrantsinrobes; vouchers
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To: SoFloFreeper

We could get rid of the entire voucher issue if we could just get the government out of the education business. That is the true root of the problem, not vouchers vs. no vouchers.

The schools are lousy because the government runs them. And like any gigantic bureaucracy, they are inefficient, corrupt, and incompetent. (Please don't flame me with tales of excellent teachers and administrators. I know they are out there. I was fortunate enough to be taught by some and I have teachers in my family. I'm speaking about the majority, not the exceptions.)

If schools were private, parents would have greater choices. There would be competition for price and for quality. Privatizing schools would not cure all problems and would present its own set of new problems, but I believe that the benefits would far outweigh the disadvantages.


61 posted on 01/05/2006 8:51:11 AM PST by generally
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To: Borges

No, only decisions that the Supreme Court has no business being in.


62 posted on 01/05/2006 8:52:04 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats. by Thomas Sowell)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Don't forget, it's also paid for by business and corporations. ......


63 posted on 01/05/2006 8:52:07 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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To: michigander
the constitutional mandate in article IX, section 1(a), which sets out the state’s responsibilities in a manner that does not allow the use of state monies to fund a private school education.

In the era in which this was written, "private schools" meant Catholic schools.

Florida's Blaine Amendment prohibits taxpayer money from going "directly or indirectly in aid of any church, sect, religious denomination or in aid of any sectarian institution."

Battling Blaine Amendments


64 posted on 01/05/2006 8:52:29 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
This is from the FL Constitution:

Fla. Const. art. 1, § 3: "There shall be no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting or penalizing the free exercise thereof. Religious freedom shall not justify practices inconsistent with public morals, peace or safety. No revenue of the state or any political subdivision or agency thereof shall ever be taken from the public treasury directly or indirectly in aid of any church, sect, or religious denomination or in aid of any sectarian institution."
65 posted on 01/05/2006 8:53:14 AM PST by Borges
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To: yellowdoghunter

See post 65.


66 posted on 01/05/2006 8:53:54 AM PST by Borges
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To: yellowdoghunter

It certainly gets frustrating at times how we Americans put up with such things, but I guess that's what separates us from from countries that I'd rather not live in.


67 posted on 01/05/2006 8:54:23 AM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: Phantom Lord
Here in Fl they already must meet certain basic criteria. One can't just open a storefront and call it a school.

Welcome to Billy-Bob's School if Fishin' and Drinkin'........and Readn Riten and Rithmatik......

68 posted on 01/05/2006 8:54:32 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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To: bvw

The same reason as Dover? You mean, Republican-appointed judges? :)


69 posted on 01/05/2006 8:55:20 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Sir Gawain

Ideologues in robes. This is the equivalent of forcing everyone to go to publicly owned hospitals.


70 posted on 01/05/2006 8:55:26 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: STARWISE

The Federal Court in Dover ruled that evolution is G-dless, that only G-dless evolution is science, and that any other teaching regading evolution may never be taught or even suggested in public schools. That Court, consisting of one Judge alone, ruled so because the established Federal Religion in the First Amendment is "Process Atheism" (aka secular humanism). [Note: I do hereby invent the term "Process Atheism" to describe the Judge's ruling -- he went on an on and on for too many pages, mine term is the and teh best summation, imo. Look up "teh" at wilipedia, btw.] The Judge did allow that there may have been some god who got the whole thing started, such as the "Big Bang", but that all the rest of geological and biological development has happened free of any intelligent design by an Intelligent Designer, aka G-d.


71 posted on 01/05/2006 8:56:45 AM PST by bvw
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To: CindyDawg

"Yeah I know. I hate that I pay school taxes when I home schooled and my grandkids go to private school."

I pay those taxes, too, and I never had any children. I don't mind, though. Education is important, and the public schools in the areas I've lived have been quite good.


72 posted on 01/05/2006 8:57:03 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Zack Nguyen
No one should be forced to fund public schools when they have no children in them.

The first principle of the state is the promotion of the common good. So tax-funding of education isn't wrong in principle.

Practically, the exemption of childless families from education funding will only increase the rate of childlessness, and hence the extinction of society.

73 posted on 01/05/2006 8:57:05 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: SoFloFreeper
My God now some students are stuck in the Florida public indoctrination system
74 posted on 01/05/2006 8:58:30 AM PST by Steveone (Liberalism is a brain tumor!)
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To: yellowdoghunter
The Florida Supreme Court a stepping stone to the Federal 9th Circuit Court.
75 posted on 01/05/2006 8:58:42 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Red Badger

I'm against the way they are implemented in FL. The public schools must make sure kids pass the FCAT, the private schools are excempt.


76 posted on 01/05/2006 8:59:37 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: CindyDawg

I agree with your fear that the government will use the "hook" of money to change the character of private schools by mandating certain things. Also, maybe there is something to be said for private schools being so effective in part because the parents are so motivated.

What's the solution, then, I ask myself? Home schooling? De-funding public education altogether? I throw up my hands in frustration, at no one in particular . . .


77 posted on 01/05/2006 9:00:13 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: MineralMan

I agree that education of our children is important and don't mind doing my part. I do believe that property owners carry the load though. I know there are draw backs but would it not be better to fund another way, say thru sales tax?


78 posted on 01/05/2006 9:00:21 AM PST by CindyDawg (Praying)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Ah yes the vastly democrat party appointed SCOFLAW justices strike again.

2000 election redux.

79 posted on 01/05/2006 9:01:27 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Borges
This is from the FL Constitution:

The judges read the state constitution correctly. The state constitution has to be changed. We face the same problem here in MA. I was involved in the unsuccessful effort to amend the MA state constitution back in the early '90s.

The teacher unions are very powerful.

80 posted on 01/05/2006 9:01:32 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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