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Supreme Court says government can move Jose Padilla to Florida to face charges
The AP via New York Newsday ^
| January 4, 2006
Posted on 01/04/2006 1:29:53 PM PST by new yorker 77
WASHINGTON -- Supreme Court orders transfer of Jose Padilla from military to civilian custody.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: enemycombatant; gwot; padilla; ruling; scotus; terrortrials
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To: Peach
Since I've been directly posted to ... it's safe to assume I've been following "FR commentary more closely" than you do. That's some kind of logic you have going there. ;-)
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posted on
01/04/2006 2:01:05 PM PST
by
Cboldt
To: saveliberty
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posted on
01/04/2006 2:01:46 PM PST
by
retrokitten
(www.retrosrants.blogspot.com back by popular demand!)
To: new yorker 77
November 3, 2003
A Constitution of Convenience
The government can't have it both ways
Andrew P. Napolitano
Late last month the Defense Department charged one of its own, Air Force Senior Airman Ahmad I. al-Halibi, with espionage and with spying for his native Syria. According to court documents, many of the acts which constituted these charges took place while Airman al-Halibi was on active duty as an Air Force translator at Camp Delta in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. If the government can prove the charges against him in court, he could receive the death penalty.
But problems of proof are the least of the government's concerns in this case. First, the government must confront the self-inflicted problem of federal jurisdictionwhich it has claimed does not exist for acts committed in Cuba.
Here's how the government shot itself in the foot. The U.S. Constitution is the document that created the federal government. In broad general terms, it sets forth the government's powers, establishes limits on those powers, and guarantees rights to all persons under the government's jurisdiction. The most potent of the government's domestic powers are the powers to enact federal criminal statutes and prosecute violations of them.
Since the Constitution is the sheet anchor of the government's powers, one would expect that the government would contend that it exists and subsists wherever the government wants to enforce federal law. But the government only wants to enforce part of the Constitution.
Just last year, the government successfully argued to four federal courts that the U.S. Constitution does not apply at American military facilities in Cuba and, thus, no American court has jurisdiction over the acts of the U.S. government and its personnel there. The cases in which this perverse argument was made involved litigation filed by relatives of prisoners confined at Guantanamo Bay who sought to have federal courts order the government to explain and justify the prisoners' confinement. This rightthe ancient right to habeas corpusis guaranteed in the Constitution (except in time of war when Congress specifically suspends it) to all persons confined against their will by the government.
One would think that the government would gladly justify in open court its detention of prisoners of war. But in its zeal to keep its behavior away from judicial scrutiny, the government argued that the Guantanamo Bay detainees lacked the right to habeas corpus because the Constitution does not apply to the government when it is in Cuba. The government went on to persuade federal judges in Washington, D.C., Los Angeles, and San Francisco that, because the U.S. leases Guantanamo Bay from Cuba, the sovereign power over Camp Delta is not the U.S. government, but is rather Fidel Castro! Tell that to the commanding American officer.
Comes now the same government a year later to argue that while one is not entitled to the protections of the Constitution when one is at an American military base in Cuba, one can still be prosecuted pursuant to powers given by the Constitution while at an American military base in Cuba. Hence the government's jurisdiction headache: it cannotunder the doctrine of judicial estoppelargue today contrary to what it argued last year on the same point of law.
Not only can the government not argue both ways, it cannot have it both ways. Either the Constitution, with all its powers to prosecute and with all its due process protections as well, applies fully or it does not apply at all.
The government knows that it cannot escape the Constitution merely by leaving the U.S. mainland because the Supreme Court has told it so. In Ex parte Milligan, the Court declared that: "The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances." And, in a consistent series of cases that goes back over 100 years, the Court has ruled that federal courts have jurisdiction over acts of the U.S. military in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Does the government really expect Americans to believe that nothing restrains it, and it need not respect our rights, when it leaves U.S. soil? The government's argument is nonsense. Wherever the government goeseven to the moonthe Constitution goes with it.
If there is strong evidence to believe that Airman al-Halibi is a spy, then the government should prosecute him no matter where he was when he spied. But in its prosecution of the war on terror, it seems that government lawyers from the Attorney General on down have self-interpreted their oaths to uphold the Constitution: They want to uphold the parts that grant them power, not the parts that restrain their exercise of it.
Unfortunately, the government's selective defense of the Constitution is not surprising or novel. Since 9/11, the government has willfully disobeyed the orders of federal judges in U.S. v. Moussaoui and in Padilla v. Rumsfeld; claimed it can lock up Americans and strip us of all our constitutional rights without judicial review in Rumsfeld v. Hamdi; and successfully threatened to strip Americans of all rights in order to get confessions and guilty pleas in the Lackawanna Six case. So far, it has gotten away with all this.
The government argues that certain defendants are so fearsome, their guilt so palpable, and their knowledge of our secrets so volatile that we need not respect their liberties. This is the justification of tyrants. When the government violates or ignores the Constitution it has sworn to uphold, it undermines the infrastructure of our culture, history, and jurisprudence. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. No court has ever seriously suggested that the
rights it guarantees are discretionary.
All this makes one wonder: Does this government take seriously its commitment to uphold the Constitution? Is the government defending constitutional liberties or attacking them? If the government doesn't defend liberty, what is it defending?
Andrew P. Napolitano, who practices law in New Jersey and in New York City, was a judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey from 1987 to 1995, taught constitutional law at Seton Hall Law School from 1989 to 2001, and is the Senior Judicial Analyst with the Fox News Channel.
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posted on
01/04/2006 2:01:50 PM PST
by
Raycpa
To: oceanview
I don't think the SCOTUS will ever review the military detention unless it's faced with a very similar case (US citizen captured on American soil held by US military). It's punted this case every chance it's gotten, so why in the world would it suddenly find its backbone and take it when it doesn't have to?
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posted on
01/04/2006 2:02:48 PM PST
by
NJ_gent
(Modernman should not have been banned.)
To: NJ_gent
And a cowardly SCOTUS punts the case once more, rather than having the guts to stand up and make a decision one way or another. I can't believe Scalia didn't run around the room kicking and screaming to take this case after his previous comments. This could have been a great case to settle this dispute. Instead, it's become a sad showing of SCOTUS timidness. They haven't punted yet. The order (which I linked to above) makes that clear.
To: oceanview
"follow the model of the US citizen taken out in Yemen by the CIA with a drone missile. there isn't anything left of him for an appeal or a trial"
Are you suggesting that the CIA should have launched a missile strike against Chicago O'hare International Airport? Against the aircraft that flew into that airport? Or at some point previous to then?
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posted on
01/04/2006 2:05:22 PM PST
by
NJ_gent
(Modernman should not have been banned.)
To: NJ_gent
I don't think the SCOTUS will ever review the military detention unless it's faced with a very similar case (US citizen captured on American soil held by US military). It's punted this case every chance it's gotten, so why in the world would it suddenly find its backbone and take it when it doesn't have to? If it agrees with the Circuit Court below, all it has to do is deny cert.
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posted on
01/04/2006 2:07:33 PM PST
by
Cboldt
To: retrokitten
:-) If nothing else, I am creative.
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posted on
01/04/2006 2:19:27 PM PST
by
saveliberty
(Proud to be Head Snowflake and Bushbot)
To: saveliberty
LOL......
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posted on
01/04/2006 2:21:50 PM PST
by
tiredoflaundry
(I'll admit it , I'm a Snow Flake !)
To: tiredoflaundry
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posted on
01/04/2006 2:22:13 PM PST
by
saveliberty
(Proud to be Head Snowflake and Bushbot)
To: oceanview
Doom and gloom as usual Oceanview.
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posted on
01/04/2006 2:22:38 PM PST
by
jveritas
(The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
To: oceanview
Link to the indictment ...
http://wid.ap.org/documents/051122padilla_indictment.pdf
I can't convert directly to text, and haven't gone digging for an HTML or text version. Violations are ...
18 USC 956(a)(1) and 2
18 USC 371 and 2339A(a)
18 USC 2339A(a) and 2
18 USC 922(g)(5)(B)
18 USC 1001(a) (perjury)
18 USC 1621(1) (false statement)
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posted on
01/04/2006 2:32:56 PM PST
by
Cboldt
To: Tarpon
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!LIBS LOSE AGAIN!!!!
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posted on
01/04/2006 3:15:39 PM PST
by
Recovering_Democrat
((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
To: new yorker 77
http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/archives/2006/01/court_approves.html
"...Acting on a Justice Department application (05-A-578), the Court approved the shift without giving an explanation, and without commenting on the government's complaints that the Fourth Circuit Court had exceeded its authority by refusing to permit the transfer. It also did not react specifically to Padilla's claim that the government lacked a legal basis for pursuing the transfer in the Supreme Court. The Court said that it "will consider the pending petition for certiorari in due course." The case (Padilla v. Hanft, 05-533) is currently scheduled to be considered at the Jan. 13 Conference of the Justices..."
I assume missing the Jan 13 conference doesn't means Alito doesn't get to rule on the case.
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posted on
01/04/2006 5:07:27 PM PST
by
mrsmith
To: oceanview
Reading through the indictment - Padilla is not named in all of the counts. For example, he is not named in the perjury and false statement counts. He is named in the 1st count, "Conspiracy to Murder, Kidnap and Maim Persons in a Foreign Country,", Count 2, "Conspiracy to Provide Materila Support for Terrorists", and Count 3, "Material Support for Terrorists."
The indictment is an interesting read, and the story it tells has five direct players, but is disjointed and full of coded messages. Assuming all of the allegations are true, these guys will be convicted, IMO.
Lots of papers at http://www.wiggin.com/practices/areainfo.asp?groupid=5&areaID=231 ...
Order Granting Release from Military Custody - January 4, 2006
Government Reply on Application for Extraordinary Relief - January 3, 2006
Padilla's Response to Government Application for Extraordinary Relief - December 30, 2005
Government Application for Extraordinary Relief - December 28, 2005
Padilla's Petition for Certiorari - October 25, 2005
Government's Opposition to Certiorari - December 16, 2005
Padilla's Reply Brief - December 27, 2005
Supreme Court Docket (ongoing)
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posted on
01/04/2006 5:10:37 PM PST
by
Cboldt
To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
To: Ouderkirk
Now we can start treason proceedings against him. Maybe we can make it a Capital charge. And if he's found guilty, hang him at sunrise the next day.
To: jveritas
what doom and gloom? I have consistently posted I do not like the way this case is going, but you could see this coming. what can we do, the administration has been "boxed in" by the federal courts - and this is where we are now. we've got to convict Padilla on these civilian charges, or he walks. its not going to be a slam dunk, it makes no sense to have false optimism here.
To: NJ_gent
no, not at OHare. overseas. and not against a planeload of people, against some concise target that Padilla et al were in - like a car, a house, or an apartment.
To: NJ_gent
wow, the planets must be aligning - we agree on this point!
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