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what doom and gloom? I have consistently posted I do not like the way this case is going, but you could see this coming. what can we do, the administration has been "boxed in" by the federal courts - and this is where we are now. we've got to convict Padilla on these civilian charges, or he walks. its not going to be a slam dunk, it makes no sense to have false optimism here.

Oceanview: Padilla is not going to walk out. He is going to remain in jail for a very long time if not for the rest of his life. No jury is going to acquit him unless it is solely composed from the staff of the New York Times or some left wing Dummies and this is not going to happen.

... what doom and gloom? I have consistently posted I do not like the way this case is going, but you could see this coming. what can we do, the administration has been "boxed in" by the federal courts - and this is where we are now.

Doom and gloom = Padilla isn't kept according to terms unilaterally set by the administration.

I am coming around to a broader view where I'll trade Padiallia being dealt with in Article III courts (instead of in indefinite military detention), in exchange for Congress getting off the stump and craftng a war resolution (against terror) with some teeth. Congress crafted a suspension of habeas as to Gitmo prisoners, but it took an act of SCOTUS to get them to use the power the Constitution gives them. This is a three part government, and Congress isn't pulling its weight.