No, it was Lee Harvey Oswald. Shot him from behind. Er....
Posted on 01/03/2006 6:06:27 PM PST by saquin
The Cuban secret service was behind the assassination of President John F Kennedy, according to evidence presented in a new television documentary.
Rendezvous with Death, to be shown on German television on Friday, offers the most convincing evidence that Fidel Castro's regime was behind the most talked-about murder of the 20th century.
A former agent of the Cuban secret service G2 talks for the first time about how Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin, was, he claims, pointed out to the Cubans by the KGB.
Oscar Marino, who fell out with the Castro regime, said the Cubans were desperate to eliminate Kennedy, an opponent of the revolution who wanted to kill Castro.
"You ask why we took Oswald?" he said to the German film maker Wilfried Huismann. "Oswald was a dissident: he hated his country. He possessed certain characteristics.
"There wasn't anyone else. You take what you can get. . . Oswald volunteered to kill Kennedy."
Oswald was a Communist who spent three years in the Soviet Union and shot Kennedy in Dallas. He was killed by Jack Ruby after his arrest, leaving his motives shrouded in mystery.
Huismann spent three years persuading people to break their silence about Oswald's alleged Cuba connections. His film is based on testimony by former US, Cuban and Russian agents, KGB files and Mexican archives.
One of the main witnesses is a retired FBI agent, Lawrence Keenan, now in his eighties. Keenan was sent after the assassination to trace Oswald's footsteps in Mexico.
The evidence he found - linking the Cubans with the murder - prompted the FBI head, J Edgar Hoover, on the orders of President Lyndon Johnson, to withdraw Keenan after three days.
"This was perhaps the worst investigation the FBI was ever involved in," said Keenan.
"I realised that I was used. I felt ashamed. We missed a moment in history."
Mexico City was considered a "Pandora's Box" by the Johnson administration, which feared a war with Cuba were the truth to be revealed to the American people.
"They were afraid of what will happen. They didn't want to. . . know the truth for fear it would mean we go to war. Johnson sincerely feared for his own life." It was convenient therefore for the administration to paint Oswald as a loner.
Alexander Haig, a military adviser to Kennedy and Johnson who became secretary of state in 1981, said in the film that Johnson was terrified his people would learn the truth.
"He [Johnson] said 'we simply must not allow the American people to believe that Fidel Castro could have killed our president'.
"And the reason was that there would be a Right-wing uprising in America, which would keep the Democratic party out of power for two generations."
Mr Haig added: "He [Johnson] was convinced Castro killed Kennedy, and he took it to his grave."
Huismann's interviews and documents he found show the extent of the secret war, involving murder and sabotage plots, between Castro and the Kennedy brothers.
Without the knowledge of Congress or the American public, John and Robert Kennedy allegedly planned eight assassination attempts on Castro, all of which failed.
Huismann's explanation for the failures is a Cuban who fought alongside Castro but who later fell out with him.
The film-maker claims that this man was "contracted" by Robert Kennedy to murder the "Maximo Lider", and was provided by the CIA with pistols disguised as fountain pens and powerful poison to carry out the task.
But Castro always found out about the plots in advance, leading to suspicions of a double agent.
The film claims that in November 1963 the Cuban took his last order from Robert Kennedy to murder Castro. The act, involving poison and the fountain pen, was to be carried out on Nov 22, the very day Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.
"Unfortunately, Castro was better than us," said a CIA agent in the film who is not identified.
Marino said Oswald was recruited to the secret service organisation by the same agent who had been recruited to kill Castro, a year before the Kennedy assassination.
"In other words the very man Robert Kennedy recruited to kill Fidel Castro hired his brother's murderer," Huismann said.
KGB files released in Moscow document a meeting between Oswald and the Cuban, who is now a retired surgeon living in Madrid.
Interviewed for the film, however, he denied any connection to Oswald, calling it an "outrageous lie".
Marino did not want to answer the question as to whether Castro had direct knowledge of the Oswald assassination plan.
Huismann wrote his film with Gus Russo, author of the 1998 book on the Castro-JFK rivalry, Live by the Sword.
What a bunch of crap. Castro is only in power because of JFK.
But the bullet wasn't damaged and it would have hit bone and would have shown signs of it's journey. I did see the ABC piece, unfortunately, I have little confidence in anything from MSM these days -- back then we were hoodwinked by the media (who were aware of Kennedy's daliances), I hope they wouldn't cover for a dem in the same manner today, but fear they would.
Actually, it was damaged. I'll try to find a link online, but photos of the bullet looking straight at the tip show that it's deformed, and photos of the bullet at the back show some of the core poking out. It's not a pristine bullet.
Who REALLY cares? I'm tired of all the suppositions, conspiracy theories, and laments of Camelot Lost. Screw him. He was an adulterous womanizing letch.
They why did you bother with this thread? Answer - a lot of people still care. This was an assassination of a U.S. President on video, lots of unanswered questions, commies involved and an unsolved conspiracy that could have involved heads of State in other countries.
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So do I.
As I said, the scales are out of balance and therefore, this element will never, ever accept the simple explanation,...
That the "Murder of the Century" (?) was nothing more than chance lining up to a place in time and space is too complex for simple minds to comprehend.
Castro might well have tried to kill Kennedy, but would he have done it in this way? Somehow it doesn't seem like his M.O. His special operations may well have been more sophisticated than we suspected, but at the time Cuba looked like the Soviet Union's second banana to a lot of people, more up to growing beards, smoking cigars, and camping out in the jungle than undertaking something of this magnitude without Soviet assistance. Perhaps that's a misconception.
No, it was Lee Harvey Oswald. Shot him from behind. Er....
This is, unfortunately, true. The crime is so big and the criminal is so small, that some minds just cannot comprehend the paradox.
The head shot was clearly from the front. Oswald was set up. Why else would he say, "I'm a patsy." How many people do you know charged with crimes say that? Its all but admitting being involved in a conspiracy to commit the crime.
Then why, in the autopsy photos, is there a small entrance wound on the back of the head and a large exit wound on the right side of the head? You're falling into the "back and to the left" trap. If you go frame by frame on Zapruder, I think the head shot is at 313, you can see JFK's head move slightly forward before going backward. And in the Lattimore book that was mentioned here, with info on the Lincoln and JFK assassinations ... great book, it also opened my eyes on some things ... there are photos of tests where targets similar to the human skull, I believe they were melons, were shot from the rear and fell backward off where they were stationed, instead of being blown forward, because of the jet effect of the escaping contents.
I don't see the small entrance wound that you are referring to in ANY of the autopsy photos. And the movement forward wasn't a sudden movement, but a natural movement forward that could have been explained easily by reaction to his other wounds. Not only did he go back and to the left, as you put it, the bone fragments also go back behind him -- that's what Jackie was going after when she got on the trunk.
The bullet didn't stay in his head. Thus, where did it go if it was fired from the rear? It would have embedded into the car or it would have hit someone else. Neither happened.
Melons are NOT human skulls. They aren't even close. I've shot all sorts of stuff with guns more and less powerful than the MC rifle found. They may spread out and go different directions, but material doesn't go back toward the shooter. This is a hoax that WC apologists have been trying to suggest and its ludicrous. Besides, virtually all tests fired with the MC demonstrate that it is more likely than not Oswald couldn't have fired 3 or 4 successful shots in any time frame. Too many jams.
Why did Oswald pass up the clear shot of Kennedy when the limo was coming TOWARD the TSBD? He would have had many more chances if he missed.
Sorry, but there's no way in the world the head shot came from the rear. NONE. I don't know who fired that shot, and I find some conspiracy theories ludicrous. Oswald MAY have fired a shot (but I doubt it), however, he didn't fire the head shot unless he was to the front of the limo. Impossible since he was in the TSBD within 30 seconds of the shooting.
I suppose you also believe that a great American patriot, Jack Ruby, blew Oswald away out of the goodest of his heart.
Any theory that it was Oswald and only Oswald who did the deed must accommodate the FACT that he was killed by a mobster who hated everything the Kennedy Administration did when it wasn't trying to kill Castro. This FACT is also inconsistent with the "Castro did it" scenario.
If Posner's book convinced you you must not have done any prior research into the problems with the Lone Assassin theory. It is filled with mistakes documented elsewhere if you really care.
Actually the scope was improperly attached to the rifle. It could not be sighted properly until the US Army Ordinance Lab worked on it and shimmed it up or at least that was what the WC testimony revealed. And having a scope did not make the shooting easier but more difficult for the sighting after the initial shot.
Oswald had not shot the rifle in months or years. There is not a shred of evidence that he purchased ANY ammo for it. And there is considerable doubt that he even picked up the gun at the Post Office box since he was at work at the time.
Then smartasses want to know why he would have bought this PoS gun mailorder leaving a document trail when he could have purchased cheaper and better rifles from hundreds of gun shops in Texas with NO trail. It makes sense if he was being set up to take a fall but none otherwise.
You inadvertently point out another huge problem with the gun. Its bolt was VERY difficult to work quickly. FBI experts initially were afraid to even fire the gun since it was such a piece of crap. They were afraid it would blow up in their faces.
Oswald had no powder traces on his cheek consistent with having fired an rifle. No evidence of ammo purchases, no extra bullets, no practice with rifle or any indication that it had been sighted after being knocked around going to and from New Orleas. No evidence that he was capable of such accuracy. He was such a crappy shot with a SHOTGUN in the USSR that his friends would give him game after hunting trips.
Marina was the niece of a KGB Colonel.
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