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Middle Class Job Losses Batter Economy
Associated Press | January 2 2006 | Associated Press and Vicki Smith

Posted on 01/02/2006 4:19:44 AM PST by ventana

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To: Dane

I'm sure you will be. Until then, we'll have regulation to keep businesses from employing slaves, child labor, sweatshop conditions, etc. Regulation exists because business sees money and forgets morality. Were that not the case, Government regulation would not be needed. Huff as you like; but, thems the facts.


141 posted on 01/02/2006 10:14:40 AM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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To: Havoc
Klintoon got into office by default. Sorry. If there hadn't been a third option, he'd have never gotten there. And if the Republican dirty tricks division hadn't gotten to Perot, An independant would have been president instead of the eight years of Nero that we had.

Really? Got any names there.

BTW, nice little tidbit with the "Republican dirty tricks" remark.

JMO, you're a democrat, longing for the days of the MSM not being challenged.

142 posted on 01/02/2006 10:16:54 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: USS Alaska
More work, less whining.

That would shorten this whole thread by at least two thirds.

143 posted on 01/02/2006 10:17:29 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: ventana

Old news. Good grief, about ten years ago"Newsweak" ran a story about a union leader whose sons could not land a job in his industry. None of them had gone to college, figuring they could step into a job like the old man had started in. The difference was that when his old man started, the job wass low-paying; now it was paying more than $20.00 an hor. plus benefits, and the company was cutting slots. A union card used to be an inheritance. No more, at least not often.


144 posted on 01/02/2006 10:23:32 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: ventana
Middle Class Job Losses Batter Economy

In 25 years, I've changed my field of occupation three times. Over the last 15 years I've constantly had to learn the latest technical things needed to maintain my current occupation.

This woe-is-me, big-government-protect-me-from-those-foreign-countries-who-may-offer-better-services-than-I, class-warfare is BS.

145 posted on 01/02/2006 10:23:55 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Dane

"Republican dirty tricks" is what Perot called it back then.
Do try to keep up.

As for names, no, just experience, which you might have gotten if you'd bothered to actually read my last post instead of look for an excuse to opt out of a losing argument by throwing a label you couldn't defend any better than your argument.
How we doing so far.. buy a clue.


146 posted on 01/02/2006 10:27:28 AM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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To: Havoc
Klintoon got into office by default. Sorry. If there hadn't been a third option, he'd have never gotten there. And if the Republican dirty tricks division hadn't gotten to Perot, An independant would have been president instead of the eight years of Nero that we had.

Yeah and I suppose Larry King and CNN really did want, then didn't want and then did want again, Ross Perot as president instead of Bill Clinton.

What a circus act.

LOL!

147 posted on 01/02/2006 10:27:32 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Havoc
"Republican dirty tricks" is what Perot called it back then.
Do try to keep up

BS, and you know it, "Republican dirty tricks" libral/socialist slang goes back to Nixon.

148 posted on 01/02/2006 10:30:41 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: rbg81
"Don't know what business you're in. Maybe your customer will decide one day that he do what you do for cheaper--be it offshoring or an immigrant. Then I guess it will be your tough luck."

Exactly right. It's called freedom. It comes with risks. I accept them. I don't ask my government to protect me with artificial tarrifs or price supports. I am on my own. When I cannot compete, I am through.

149 posted on 01/02/2006 10:36:00 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Havoc; rbg81

It's not treason to try and get the best value for your money.

It's actually a very American thing to do.

You mean you don't shop at Wal-Mart and get Chinese-made stuff?

I'd rather take a low risk of serious problems than know I'm going to freeze myself half to death for six months every year, which is a dead certainty if I stay where I am. (I can't afford California's high cost of living right now :-( ). You can all but eliminate your risks by staying out of Metro Manila and avoiding the Muslim parts of the Philippines (in particular the island of Mindano).

Besides, it's better to be able to get a social disease, most of which are perfectly curable, than it is to be in a place where you can't get a date(*).

D

(*) I know your next argument, so I'd better mention that AIDS is a very low risk in the Philippines, probably lower than in the US.


150 posted on 01/02/2006 10:37:37 AM PST by daviddennis
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To: Constitutional Patriot
Do these liberal morons ever STFU?

No, never. But we now have the internet and FR. Booyah! V's wife

151 posted on 01/02/2006 10:38:39 AM PST by ventana
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To: Havoc

I have a conscience. It tells me that I should not ask another for my support. I accept the risks of freedom. When I can't compete with anyone who chooses to challenge my place in the market, I am done. No crying to my government or a labor union or my employer for help. I am on my own in this world and I accept that with maturity and honesty. That's what my conscience tells me.


152 posted on 01/02/2006 10:39:06 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: FreeReign

Who cares what they wanted. Perot took 19% after he bailed. Clinton couldn't even get a simple majority in two terms. Perot disaffected his base and much of his following when he bailed initially and still got 19%. It was unheard of; but, the guy had popular support. If it hadn't been for the dirty tricks, he'd have won. Plain and simple.

Do you have a more concise, logical point to make, or is "circus act" the best you can do? At least knitpick my spelling or something to show us how intelligent you are by comparison. I'll even give you a freabie <-- hint. Did you catch it, or do you need help?


153 posted on 01/02/2006 10:39:53 AM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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To: Havoc

From personl experience in the IT field I will tell you this:

I can get Chinese programmers who are every bit as good (and better at following instructions) in basic analysis and certainly generating code for 1/10th what I get for them here. So I should bay a 1000% premium to get a local resource? And it probably will be a H1B from India and not USA-born person anyway.

The skills I use (and need) are the ability to see the problem, understand the environment within which the problem needs to be solved. The ability to organize, track, create functional and technical specifications and MANAGE those dime for a buck Chinese developers.

All the locals I have tried to put in have failed miserably in these areas. They just want to program and code. I don't know if you are this category or not. If so, you are indeed the IT equivilant of a bolt-tightener.

Personally, I am in very high demand in my company and have never even worried for a second about my job getting outsourced, since what I am doing can't be sent out.


154 posted on 01/02/2006 10:39:57 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: ARCADIA
"The country does better when it can create the kind of economy that makes maximum use of everyone's talents..."

How different is that from "To each according to his needs and from each according to his ability"?

155 posted on 01/02/2006 10:41:08 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Havoc

I completely agree. Seems to me it's all very circular. After the blue collar jobs have all been either shipped out or given to Illegals/"Guest Workers" for slave wages, we will see Unions rise again. Maybe we'll also get lot's of high tariffs on imports to pay for government run health care.


156 posted on 01/02/2006 10:43:55 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Willie Green
"You're obviously a victim of partisan bipolar disorder.

It's an emotional affliction that's akin to idiocy."

Since you've resorted to insult, you obviously have no rational point to make. I am certain that's not a new experience for you

157 posted on 01/02/2006 10:45:26 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: ARCADIA
"We know that, what worries me is the criminal conspiracy in the board room. They still don't have what they would like and they will continue to do it to this country until they achieve it."

As is their right. It's called free enterprise. Accept the risks or don't, the game proceeds with you or without you

158 posted on 01/02/2006 10:47:19 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Dane
"Republican dirty tricks" libral/socialist slang goes back to Nixon.

No kidding - how astute of you to know that. Now if you could read for comprehension and know something a little more recent, you might get somewhere. Amazing your hypersensitivity to a nixon era phrase should blind you to the fact that H. Ross Perot used the phrase in describing what happened to him - probably because it was a well known nixon era phrase - my guess. Are you keeping up, or should I slow down and spoon feed it?

159 posted on 01/02/2006 10:48:39 AM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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To: Havoc
Who cares what they wanted. Perot took 19% after he bailed. Clinton couldn't even get a simple majority in two terms. Perot disaffected his base and much of his following when he bailed initially and still got 19%. It was unheard of; but, the guy had popular support. If it hadn't been for the dirty tricks, he'd have won. Plain and simple.

LOL!

If he hadn't bailed in the first place he(Perot) might have won.(BTW, Perot basically said that he was bailing because clinton was leading).

Oh that's right, Perot bailing the first time in 92, was due to "Republican dirty tricks".

LOL!, again.

160 posted on 01/02/2006 10:49:11 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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