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Illarionov Blasts Ukraine Gas Price Hike
AP ^ | 12/31/05 | VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

Posted on 01/01/2006 8:12:56 PM PST by spanalot

"(AP) - MOSCOW-A former Kremlin adviser denounced Russia's New Year deadline for Ukraine to accept a massive gas price increase, saying Saturday the demand was a sign of resurgent Russian imperialism."

"Illarionov said that in August 2004, Gazprom signed a deal with Ukraine's gas company that envisaged five years of gas supplies at $50 per 1,000 cubic meters - part of the Kremlin's efforts to support presidential candidate Viktor Yanukovych, who lost a tense race last fall to the Western-leaning Yushchenko.

"When the political situation changed, they remembered about subsidies," said Illarionov, who long had been a dissenter in the Kremlin, which is dominated by Putin's fellow veterans of the Soviet spy agency KGB.

Illarionov likened Russia's price hike for Ukraine to Nazi and Soviet ultimatums issued to Eastern European nations before their annexation on the eve of the World War II, and urged the Kremlin to step away "from the brink of a precipice that we are approaching so blindly and quickly.""

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: gas; gazprom; russia; ukraine
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This is why Putin is reneging on this contract - they thought they had bought the last election in Ukraine!
1 posted on 01/01/2006 8:12:57 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot

Putin and Chavez should get married


2 posted on 01/01/2006 8:21:52 PM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120) - For more info, search FR keyword: folding)
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To: spanalot

Bump. This'll be good.


3 posted on 01/01/2006 8:25:20 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: spanalot

Ukraine doesn't like market capitalism.


4 posted on 01/01/2006 8:25:31 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Baraonda

"Ukraine doesn't like market capitalism."

This is not capitalism - this is an act of war and Putin has lost what little credibility he had after his ham handing the Ukrainian election one year ago.


5 posted on 01/01/2006 8:29:27 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Baraonda

Unless Illarionov is lying, making a buck has nothing to do with this. Russia is now trying to renege on a signed, sealed and delivered contract.

Not very good capitalism on the part of the Russkies.


6 posted on 01/01/2006 8:29:45 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: spanalot

Illarionov'd better watch his back now. Indeed, it might be the safest thing for him to do some foreign travel.


7 posted on 01/01/2006 8:30:37 PM PST by GSlob
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To: VeniVidiVici

Anyone have a link to a copy of the agreement? This "contract" sounds like it had weasel words in it allowing Russia to "adjust" the subsidy or some such, or Illarionov would have put it bluntly that Russia was reneging.


8 posted on 01/01/2006 8:34:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: spanalot

Thanks.

My statement should have been a question rather than a declarative statement.


9 posted on 01/01/2006 8:38:47 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Here is a reading comprehension exercise for you.

Did the article say Russia was contractually bound to offer gas at $50 for 5 years? Did the article say the contract was broken? The person interviewed explains reasons why the price was increased, but makes no claims that any contract was broken. You did, which means you inferred facts not in the article. Now ponder the word "envisage", and see if that equates to a contractual obligation. What assumptions are you making?

Isn't it interesting how myths get perpetuated?


10 posted on 01/01/2006 8:38:54 PM PST by Mount Athos
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"Did the article say Russia was contractually bound to offer gas at $50 for 5 years?"

Yes - and here is chapter and verse of the contract.

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"- As a matter of fact there is a contract between Naftogas of Ukraine and Gasprom of Russia on volume and conditions of transit of Russian natural gas through the territory of Ukraine for the period between 2003 and 2013. It is currently in effect. I cannot imagine how a public company bound by contract obligations can refuse to fulfill them. I asked the deputy head of Gasprom, Oleksandr Riazanov, during our negotiations in Moscow on December 19 in the presence of the head of the Russian Cabinet Mikhail Fradkov: “Is the contract effective?” And he said: “Yes.”

- Then why do the Russians say that they will stop contract supplies of gas to Ukraine on January 1, 2006?

- One can always find a reason to make a statement. But in article 14 of this contract it is clearly stated that: “This contract comes in effect on January 1, 2003… It remains effective until 10 am on January 1, 2014.” And one more thing: “During the period between 2005 and 2009 the Customer (Gasprom) will sell annually natural gas at the price of 50 US dollars for 1000 cubic meters, which is not subject to change by the parties, from the gas transportation services of Russian natural gas through the territory of Ukraine to ensure the gas balance of Ukraine.”

- What do you think of possible arbitration with Gasprom?

- “Any disputes about these contract or as a result of it are subject to examination and final settlement in the Arbitration Institution of the Chamber of Commerce in the city of Stockholm.” (This is Article 12 of the contract). I am not afraid of possible arbitration. Ukraine has already had a positive experience of arbitration. So if we have to appeal, we know what to do and where to go. "


11 posted on 01/01/2006 8:43:54 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot

Puti-put where are you now? Punk ass KGB fella!


12 posted on 01/01/2006 9:03:30 PM PST by STD (Grab Your Ankles, I'm From the Gub'ment)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I doubt a link can be found to any contract. At this point with each side throwing claim and counter-claim, it would probably be impossible to sift thorough all the BS on the web to find a contract.

We'll have to see what "In News there is no truth; in Truth there is no news" has to say in the upcoming days.


13 posted on 01/01/2006 9:08:40 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: spanalot
“During the period between 2005 and 2009 the Customer (Gasprom) will sell annually natural gas

So they get a batch once a year?

14 posted on 01/01/2006 9:13:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Baraonda

"Ukraine doesn't like market capitalism."


HA HA HA, capitalism does not apply to government owned gas.


15 posted on 01/01/2006 9:26:02 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: systematic

They probably are already.


16 posted on 01/01/2006 9:30:52 PM PST by victim soul
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To: systematic

"Putin and Chavez should get married"

This is a SERIOUS situation - these damn marxists are finally going to organize worldwide.


17 posted on 01/01/2006 9:33:18 PM PST by spanalot
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To: VeniVidiVici

If, per quote in #11, the Naftogas/Gasprom contract is subject to arbitration in Swedish court, then it must be on file there - and might be searchable from there.


18 posted on 01/01/2006 11:07:43 PM PST by GSlob
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To: spanalot

You quote the contract, but avoid providing a link. What are you hiding?


19 posted on 01/01/2006 11:08:17 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: spanalot
Nice lie by omission on your part.

The Russians offered the Ukraine gas at $160 per 1,000 cu meters, and offered to increase the transit fees it pays them from $1.00 to $1.75 to help offset the increase. The Ukraine DEMANDED the fees be increased to $3.00 per 1,000, which would in effect give the Ukraine gas for free. The Russians rejected that offer and raised the price for gas to $230. The Ukraine has been siphoning off Russian gas for years and selling it to Europe for market prices. Of course none of this matters, since most robots want to blame the evil Russians for this problem.
20 posted on 01/01/2006 11:13:34 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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