Posted on 01/01/2006 8:12:56 PM PST by spanalot
This is why Putin is reneging on this contract - they thought they had bought the last election in Ukraine!==
Don't lie please.
Read this please and make your conclusions.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1550244/posts?page=74#74
Note it is not me who find out truth but other Freeper.
Who the heck knows? I see nothing that says the contract be renegotiated every year. The only thing that I saw that came close was that the supply going through the Ukraine be negotiated every year but should not go below 120 million cubic meters.
It's a foregone conclusion as to what will happen; Ukraine needs the gas so they will take Putin's offer of a current freeze if they agree to a price rise in a few months.
The Euros are scared children so they will shake their fingers at Ukraine and tell them to make the deal.
Here are a few links I found:
The dispute between Russia and Ukraine on supplies and transit of natural gas reached it peak after Gazprom proposed selling natural gas to Ukraine for $220-$230 per 1,000 cubic meters and threatened to cut off the supplies if Ukraine refused to sign a revised contract. Ukraine currently pays about $50 per 1,000 cubic meters under a barter agreement.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20051230/42792703.html
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In the meantime, the gas dispute apparently also has political dimensions. Gazprom has indicated plans to raise 2006 gas prices to $110/tcm for Georgia, up to $160/tcm for Moldova, and the Baltic states Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia from $80-95/tcm to $120-$125/tcm. Russian politicians saw all these former Soviet nations as not friendly to Moscow. Simultaneously, gas prices for allied Belarus were to remain around $50/tcm.
Ukraine's gas company, Naftogaz, also says it has a contract through 2013 with Gazprom that stipulates the price of gas as $50 per thousand cubic meters. Gazprom insists that the price of gas is to be renegotiated every year.
http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2370571
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Gazprom and Naftogaz Ukrainy are presently bound by an agreement as of June 21, 2002, on the amount and terms of the Russian gas transit for 2003–2013 which stipulates for supplies at $80 per 1,000 cu. meters and the transit tariff of $1.75 for the transportation of 1,000 cu. meters for 100 km. The agreement also envisages lowering coefficient fixing the gas prices at $50 and the transit tariff – at $1.09.
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/12/3F33CB21-657A-4CD6-BA62-30D55ED4A0B4.html
http://www.kommersant.com/page.asp?idr=528&id=635142
Link please.
Ukraine wages the propaganda war that is why you see so much rumors and void accusations and just hysterias coming from thier leadership.
BUT you will NEVER see Ukraine go to court to present thier mythical contract where Russia has to pay $50. Period.
Very obvious:). To prove your point in court is much difficultier then to flap your tongs at media. You need show the papaers. But they have not them. Pure and simple.
Sametime Gazprom has objective control measurement that during last day Ukraine stole about 20% of europian transit gas.
The transit through Ukraine is NOT safe from thievery by ukarnian goverment.
"BUT you will NEVER see Ukraine go to court to present thier mythical contract where Russia has to pay $50. Period. "
RusIvan - Pls stop using the "Rus" moniker - Rus refers to Ukraine and you are no Ukrainian.
http://www.orangerevolution.us/blog/_archives/2005/12/27/1524272.html
That is exactly why Gazprom should take this to court. If the Ukrainians are lying, they cannot conceal it in court. It will become obvious to all.==
Gazprom will do it. Today it hired the western audit company to monitor gas delivery and ukranina thievry. When it gathers the proving base it will turn all to arbitrage to get conpensation. Let see them.
When the government sets the price, then the market doesn't. A "market" price is one the buyer is willing to pay. This isn't capitalism, it's fascism.
"A "market" price is one the buyer is willing to pay."
I believe a market price is an equilibrium price where the seller and buyer are both willing to transact an arms length transaction.
Some have promised that they are going to the court. Why are you so sure they wouldn't?
You need show the papaers. But they have not them. Pure and simple.
Less of "Komsomolskaya Pravda" tovarisch.:) Yekhanurov and "Naftohaz" did have a conference week or so ago presenting it. Link of the document The text is lower down the page and in Russian.
Sametime Gazprom has objective control measurement that during last day Ukraine stole about 20% of europian transit gas.
For one I don't understand why it's being transported in the first place if Ukraine hasn't been paid for the transit. You can't just transport through Ukraine for free. Situation is very messy and unclear- so in thios case it's either Ukraine just taking its share from the pipe OR "Gasprom" is just bull$^&tting about the unnaccounted 20%.
For one I don't understand why it's being transported in the first place if Ukraine hasn't been paid for the transit. ===
The criminal president Yuschenko promissed oipenly that the transit gas will not be stolen. So Gazprom continued pumping for one day just to check his honesty.
If Gazprom didn't do it then they said that GAzprom stoped pumping without reason.
But Gazprom hired western auditor company to record the amount and gather the roving base for futher court.
I think Ukarine will pay for stolen but by decision of arbitrage.
I don't understand one thing. When orangists blasted Yanokovich for his criminal past I would understand it. But now when new president Yuschenko shows openly his criminal behaivior WHY no orangists comdemn him? Hypocricy?
Gasprom talks of shortages but Naftohaz says there haven't been any. Who am I going to believe? my own people or you Russians?
In a relevant topic- you said in the case of disruptions in supply Europeans would turn on Ukrine and bite its head off. Yet so far, they and US have been critical of Russia. Shows how much you know, doesn't it? ;-)
It is not capitalism to renege on a contract. Russia looks like an untrustworthy business partner when they do that.
Have they??? When and what was said and by whom?
For one I don't understand why it's being transported in the first place if Ukraine hasn't been paid for the transit. You can't just transport through Ukraine for free. Situation is very messy and unclear-
Bingo!
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