Posted on 01/01/2006 2:55:51 PM PST by SunSetSam
A terrorist is as a terrorist does....
I'll get you some links for my FDR claims.
Apparently, they are winning in the sense that "our way of life" is that of an open and free society which is being slowly circumscribed. Or I guess we have to destroy liberal democracy in order to save it.
"Win and become what? A country where the rule of law is only adhered to when convenient?"
You are tying disconnected arguments. Thus, your question is meaningless...
Actually we will be fine if we just destroy the liberals (socialists/communists) and keep the democracy
You mean to say it's not clear to you? Well, in that case, happily, you're not in charge!
susie
I reject the notion we must trade freedom for security. The 9/11 attack happened because our 2nd amendment rights were taken away. If the passengers on those planes had had the right to carry firearms, the terrorists would never have attempted to hijack them.
and if my Aunt had gonads she would be my Uncle.....
A free society carries some inherent risks. If our soldiers are willing to die for our freedom, why can't our civilians be prepared to make the same sacrifices?
At one time in America, passengers were allowed to carry weapons on commercial airlines. I suggest we would be safer if that were allowed again.
And you aunt could still be your aunt if she had gonads. Look it up.
LOL!!! Of course not...Don't come complaining to me about this invasion of privacy. The current administration is using that leader as an excuse for this. And yes, he violated the law as well. Remind me, what did SCOTUS rule in 1866?
And who decided who is a terrorist?
That would be those within the Executive Branch. You remember, the Branch that was supposed to be the weakest branch? Wonder which former executive changed that, particularly in times of 'war'?
What I find humorous is the belief that the revelation of this is some sort of 'breach of national defense'. As if Abdullah and his band weren't already aware of their questionable conversations being recorded. However instead of going after the government for overstepping some serious bounds, 'conservatives' are upset it became common knowledge and even more upset he isn't going further. Anything to support the cause don't you know. Reminds me of another group of Radical Republicans.
And because the three most worthless men to occupy the Executive office did it, that makes it A-OK to do it again right? What better role models than men who completely ignored the Constitution if it got in their way?
And were those rights taken away in the 1960's - 1970's in response to Communist pig-fornicators and the Kremlin-funded groups committing hijackings worldwide? Just wondering...
We should have nuked Stalin back in 1946.
No cheers, unfortunately. But you are correct.
That's a good question. Maybe some things have to be decided after the fact. For example, when you use a gun to kill an attacker, you made a decision that he was a criminal. Afterward, though, a judge or a jury may decide you were wrong and make you pay the price. Likewise if the administration guesses wrong about a terrorist, they should have to suffer the consequences.
And apparently, there will be a lot fewer civil liberties if we win this war.
It is rare that "temporary measures" by governments ever get rolled back.
Lot of you people that work in the White House showing up here lately.
No surprises here. The Left actively supported Communism, which would have wiped out individual rights upon gaining power. That's because, in my opinion, the Left simply doesn't believe in individual rights at all. Group interests, certainly, starting with the "workers" and continuing through "minorities" and "women." The inevitable flow of history, yes. Their own destiny as the elites who will determine equality in society and establish a better world for "children and other living things." But individual rights? Not in their playbook. Now the Left tacitly supports terrorists because their interests are the same - the destruction of the "bourgeouis state" as exemplified by the United States. Once the destruction of the United States takes place, then the elites can take control here and deal with the disorganized and undergunned Islamists whose minds are clouded by the "opiate" of religion. Think of Lenin and his phrase "useful idiots." The great Leftist revolutions have one common thread - social and political chaos first, then a grab for control. Osama is their ally, so to speak. Not that they would admit it. Anything that leads to social decay will do - which is why so many Leftists pine away for a world ruined by global warming or environmental disaster. Like I said, no surprises here.
President Bush's policy only applies to international calls.
When an enemy of this country makes a phone call from overseas into our country, the president, as commander-in-chief of the armed forces, has the constitutional right and the duty to examine that phone call. It all falls under the current war being waged against al-qaeda.
If you support monitoriing the containers coming into our ports, you should have no objections to monitoring of communications into our borders.
In my lifetime my generation faced down a nuclear threat from a major world power without flinching or even surrendering as many civil liberties as we seem to want to against this non nation conglomeration of religious fanatics. This is a war without end...Big Brothers "Goldstein".
PT Barnum was right. We are a nation of suckers.
All members of the Court joined in rejecting the government's argument that the Bill of Rights simply did not apply in wartime. The majority opinion contains a somewhat rhetorical passage for which it is justly famous:
The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine, involving more pernicious consequences, was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism, but the theory of necessity on which it is based is false; for the government, within the Constitution, has all the powers granted to it, which are necessary to preserve its existence; as has been happily proved by the result of the great effort to throw off its just authority.
Supreme Court 1866
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