I don't care why we bobmbed that chi-com embassy, I just know it felt good.
The chi-coms aren't freinds by any imagination.
Beligerants is more like it.
Next time: More cruise missiles
"Highly-placed NATO sources have confirmed the reason behind the US air strike - with three Tomahawk cruise missiles - against the Embassy of the People's Republic of China (PRC) in Belgrade, (then) Yugoslavia, on May 7, 1...."
"Supportive evidence is provided by three other NATO officers - a flight controller operating in Naples, an intelligence officer monitoring Yugoslav radio traffic from Macedonia and a senior headquarters officer in Brussels.
"All three say they knew in April that the Chinese embassy was acting as a "rebro" (rebroadcast) station for the Yugoslav army. The embassy was also suspected of monitoring NATO's cruise missile attacks on Belgrade, with a view to developing effective countermeasures."
Maybe Clinton had at least half a testicle when he made this decision. More likely he was distracted, getting some tail in the oval office when the generals secured permission for the airstrike.
...uh...surprise...suprise...
I thought it was because they were holding debris from the down stealth fighter, but this is fine too.
Actions completely incompatible with their diplomatic and neutral status, if true. We don't need to prove it's true, they can't prove it wasn't an intelligence failure. Game even.
Gen. Wesley Clark to Valerie Plame: "I need more targets"
IIRC we went so far as to reimburse the PRC for the cost of the repairs.
NATO electronic intelligence (ELINT) discovered it was being used to transmit Yugoslav army communications.
ELINT ?? Yeah, right.
Not too long ago, maybe 6 months, I was told by someone who was connected to the hit that it was no mistake. The subject came up out of the blue and I think the guy simply wanted to get it off his chest. It was a strange day.
So Clinton authorized an act of war against a non belligerent sovereign state! I'm sure we'll hear no more about it.
Hey! Mugabe of Zimbabwe is in the chinese embassy in Harare! Lets do it again and kill 2 birds with one stone! (satire)
Gotta be a lie.
#1 - Clinton doesn't have the guts to attack anything or anybody that might hit back.
#2 - Clinton was good friends with the Chinese.
Either that, or Clinton was being his incompetent self and he ok'd the bombing without even knowing what the target was. Not too unusual considering his penchant for bombing empty enemy camps and civilian factories.
I don't buy this for a second. A re-write to dig the Clinton name up from the hole it's in on national defense. If this was true where's the liberal outrage ?? Weren't some Chicom's human rights violated here ??
Fanciful reporting. Ermmm one major error. The strike was conducted by B-2s using JDAMs.
I agree, and think the President should immeidately hand Bill Clinton and Wesley Clark over to Chinese authorities for a fair trial in Beijing immediately.
If the report wasn't fanciful enough. Journalism at its worst in the fact that he can't even get basic facts correct. The attack was carried out by B-2 Spirits with JDAMs. The Serbs even showed remnants of one of the 2,000 pound bomb casings at the site after the attack and it is now on display in a Belgrade museum.
This is part of the report released to the Chinese by the US on the incdient:
'The air strike then proceeded as planned on May 7 without any of the mistakes having been detected or doubts about the reliability of the target information having been addressed.
-- At 2146 Zulu (about midnight local time in Belgrade) on 7 May 1999 one of the fleet of B-2 bombers from Whiteman Air Force Base (AFB) in Missouri dropped 5 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) 2000 lb. GPS-guided bombs on the target designated as the FDSP building but which was, in fact, the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. All B-2 strikes on Yugoslavia were flown from Whiteman AFB. The bombs were Global Positioning System (GPS) guided weapons and operate in all weather and at night using a satellite-based navigation system of a high order of accuracy.
-- The air crews carried out their mission as planned. They had no idea they were in fact bombing the Chinese Embassy. As a result, it is obvious that they bear no responsibility for this failure; the problem, as I have outlined, occurred earlier.
-- They had no way of seeing any identifying markers that would show the building was an embassy. A flag in front of the building or any such features would not be discernible at night and at the speeds and altitudes at which our planes fly.
-- No other buildings in the immediate vicinity were hit. Our weapons hit the target they were aimed at. Unfortunately, we did not realize the true nature of the target.'
Defense and Foreign Affairs are an abysmal affront to any kind of journalism. During the conflict their attempts at reporting NATO losses was truly abysmal. No wonder they couldn't get the basic facts of the weapons used in the embassy bombing:
"NATO losses and the military costs
Defense & Foreign Affairs, April 1999
(About the source: The Defense & Foreign Affairs Group of Publications (USA), which started in 1972 circulate exclusively to senior government, defense, intelligence and industry officials in more than 170 countries worldwide.)
"It is clear from the amount and quality of intelligence received by this journal from a variety of highly-reputable sources that NATO forces have already suffered significant losses of men, women and materiel. Neither NATO, nor the US, UK or other member governments, have admitted to these losses, other than the single USAF F-117A Stealth fighter which was shown, crashed and burning inside Serbia.
The Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff had denied, about a month into the bombing, that the US had suffered the additional losses reported to Defense & Foreign Affairs.
By April 20, 1999, NATO losses stood at approximately the following:
38 fixed-wing combat aircraft;
Six helicopters;
Seven unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs);
“Many” Cruise Missiles (lost to AAA or SAM fire).
Several other NATO aircraft were reported down after that date, including at least one of which there was Serbian television coverage. The aircraft reportedly include three F-117A Stealth strike aircraft, including the one already known. One of the remaining two was shot down in an air-to-air engagement with a Yugoslav Air Force MiG-29 fighter; the other was lost to AAA (anti-aircraft artillery) or SAM (surface-to-air missile) fire. Given the recovery by the Yugoslavs of F-117A technology, and the fact that the type has proven less than invincible, the mystique of the aircraft — a valuable deterrent tool until now for the US — has been lost.
At least one USAF F-15 Eagle fighter has been lost, with the pilot, reportedly an African-American major, alive and in custody as a POW.
At least one German pilot (some sources say two men, implying perhaps a Luftwaffe crew from a Tornado) has been captured.
There is also a report that at least one US female pilot has been killed.
In one instance in the first week of the fighting, an aircraft was downed near Podgorica. A NATO helicopter then picked up the downed pilot, but the helicopter itself was then shot down, according to a number of reports.
Losses of US and other NATO ground force personnel, inside Serbia, have also been extensive.
A Yugoslav Army unit ambushed a squad climbing a ravine south of Pristina, killing 20 men. When the black tape was taken from their dog-tags it was found that 12 were US Green Berets; eight were British special forces (presumably Special Air Service/SAS). This incident apparently occurred within a week or so of the bombing campaign launch.
It is known that other US and other NATO casualties have, on some occasions, been retrieved by NATO forces after being hit inside Yugoslavia. At least 30 bodies of US servicemen have been processed through Athens, after being transported from the combat zone.
At least two of the helicopters downed by the Yugoslavs were carrying troops, and in these two a total of 50 men were believed to have been killed, most of them (but not all) of US origin.
Certainly, the US has lost to ground fire and malfunction a number of Tomahawk Cruise Missiles. At least some of these have been retrieved more or less intact, and the technology has been immediately reviewed by Yugoslav engineers. More than one told this writer that the technology was now readily able to be replicated in Yugoslavia.
The war has cost Alliance members in other ways, too. There is enormous disaffection with the US Armed Forces. For a start, to prosecute even the smallest expansion of the war requires the call-up of Reserve and National Guard units. The personnel from these units have civilian jobs, and, as with the US involvement in S-FOR in Bosnia-Herzegovina, being called up for active duty in the Balkans seems to be an open-ended thing. This is not the type of national emergency for which most of them signed-on.
On top of that, there are questions about the wisdom of the orders they are receiving, and a total lack of clear strategic (let alone military) objectives. One serving career mid-level military officer in the US told this writer: “I am incredibly appalled at this war, or whatever it is, and the lack of strategic thought; the bungling, stumbling blind policies which have led to this [situation], and the murderous impact on not just the Serbs and Kosovars, but on the concepts of conflict resolution and sovereignty.”
The officer continued: “I am very upset, and while I have been vocal in my small world, and many agree with me, I am part of a system that is stumbling as best it can to implement the failed brainwork of the NCA [National Command Authority; the President] and SecState [Secretary of State], and General [Wes- ley] Clark [Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, for NATO], too. Why haven’t the military leadership stepped up and put their job on the line for common sense.”
The problem is not confined to the US forces. In Britain, a near mutiny was reported aboard the carrier HMS Invincible. And as news of very real NATO casualties emerge, morale will decline. Meanwhile, those who have any knowledge of the facts know that since 1948, Yugoslavia, particularly under Tito, has been preparing to fight, literally, World War III. NATO heavy armor may indeed roll easily across the Albanian border, or down across the fertile plains of Vojvodina from Hungary, right into Belgrade. But most of Yugoslavia is mountainous, and the mountains filled with underground fuel supplies, ammunition factories, probably oil refineries, buried hangars and roads which become airstrips.
And those in the US Armed Forces believe that the Clinton White House, from the President — an anti-Vietnam War protester and conscription dodger — and First Lady down to the young Clintonite staffers, hate the US Armed Forces with a passion. It is clear that the determination of the Yugoslavs to defend their country has strengthened; after all, they have nowhere else to go. But already the morale of the NATO forces is declining."