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To: Strategerist
As an atheist with no (zero) interest in religion, I support what you're saying.

But it's probably wisest to simply admit to religiously inclined people that the "First Cause" of everything can't be known, since scientific knowledge is always improving and is an approximation (more knowledge is always possible).

That should satisfy the smart theists - and, - it's accurate.

Intelligent design is an unfortunate development - since we really don't KNOW if things are "complex".... or not. "Complex, " -- compared to WhAt? Things could be very simple, or very complex basically. We just don't know. They are what they are. We know things are being pushed around into 'clumps' that LOOK complex, but that's about it. What's pushing them? Who knows? Scientists will NEVER know the final answer to that question, since they'll always want to push it back a Step FURTHER. That's why I'm an atheist. I know when to say, "Gee, I don't KNOW... hmm."

It's best to leave this intelligent design stuff alone. It's a non-starter for empirical purposes.
87 posted on 12/28/2005 4:17:31 PM PST by 4Liberty (Privatize, don't subsidize.)
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To: 4Liberty
we really don't KNOW if things are "complex".... or not. "Complex, " -- compared to WhAt? Things could be very simple, or very complex basically. We just don't know.


Science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke formulated three laws: Number 3 states:

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

To this we can add:

Any sufficiently obscure or unexplained natural phenomenon will probably be explained by "God did it!" until science catches up.

At one time thunder was thought to be created by the gods; now we know better.
136 posted on 12/28/2005 5:11:06 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: 4Liberty

> That's why I'm an atheist. I know when to say, "Gee, I don't KNOW... hmm."

That sounds like the definition of an agnostic, not an atheist. Important distinction.


198 posted on 12/28/2005 6:28:09 PM PST by XEHRpa
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To: 4Liberty
As an atheist with no (zero) interest in religion...

Ahha!

There's yer problem.

As you get older, your interest will tend to increase.


That's why I'm an atheist. I know when to say, "Gee, I don't KNOW... hmm."

Uh... this makes you an agnostic, not an atheist.

472 posted on 12/29/2005 5:59:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: 4Liberty
As an atheist with no (zero) interest in religion, I support what you're saying.

Just remember - atheism is the religion of materialism.

Some BELEIVE there is a god

Some BELEIVE there is no god.

No matter how you slice it - it is a belief system and it becomes a religion when you invoke unsupported faith-based assumptions. The atheist assumption is materialism and the god-beleivers assumption is God(s).

723 posted on 12/29/2005 5:18:41 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: 4Liberty
"I know when to say, "Gee, I don't KNOW... hmm." ",

But you know there is no God? For this you have proof?

I know when to say "I don't know" as well. As an engineer and a scientist I thrive in that condition. I constantly live at the edge of the unknown, that is why I study physics.

For 25 years I said "I don't know" about God. I was a half-hearted deist, bordering on the atheist.

2 years ago I learned something profound. Not only is God real but Jesus Christ is indeed the Son of God. I learned this absolutely when I, as an experiment, asked Christ to show me He was real, and come into my heart. boom. I did not expect what happened. Nor did my wife who is/was a jewish mathematician. She broke down in tears, she had a real epiphany. The power/force/passion that erupted in us so suddenly with those words was profound for us.

Christ is as real as gravity. God does reveal Himself to those who would see, or just ask.

I suggest you ask. It cannot hurt and it can do you an eternity of good. (It is in fact illogical to not ask Christ into your life, as Charles Babbage said)

814 posted on 12/30/2005 8:22:32 AM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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