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To: GOPPachyderm; js1138
I continue to be amazed at the certainty with which evolution supporters make their claims.

In this case, it's quite easy to be certain that the creationist argument with respect to the Second Law of Thermodynamics is, indeed, full of crap, and based on fallacious arguments and misrepresentions about what the SLoT actually does and does not say.

In fact, you would think with all of this certitude they wouldn't need to use insults such as "pig ignorant."

When the shoe fits, as it does in this case, there's nothing wrong with calling it what it is.

Creationists have been making this same grossly flawed claim for so many years, and have been corrected on it for so long, that there is absolutely no excuse for them to continue to make it.

If they don't want to appear grossly ignorant to anyone who actually knows the basics of the subject, then I invite them to stop saying and writing grossly ignorant things.

297 posted on 12/28/2005 8:31:31 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

The second law of thermodynamics indicates a tendency towards disorder - closed or open system. And if order should randomly occur, unless something happens to "freeze" that order, it has a tendency to go back to a state of disorder. This would appear to present a problem for evolution in achieving greater states of complexity.

Gerald Schroeder stated it this way in his most recent book: "In any situation where order is not imposed, momentary order always degrades to chaos."
He suggests there is the additional need of the imposition of order from an outside source.

Isn't it possible that someone could hold an opinion other than yours and not be "pig-ignorant"? And let's say that you don't think anyone should have an opinion other than yours, is there pleasure in calling them "pig-ignorant." It doesn't strengthen your argument.


336 posted on 12/28/2005 9:21:07 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: Ichneumon; editor-surveyor
is, indeed, full of crap, and based on fallacious arguments and misrepresentions

Define Irony..... this statement being made by someone who absolutely slaughters the rules of logical debate....
399 posted on 12/28/2005 11:40:06 PM PST by darbymcgill
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