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Chief: Knife-wielding man had long record
AP ^ | 12/28/5 | CHEVEL JOHNSON

Posted on 12/28/2005 1:52:46 PM PST by SmithL

NEW ORLEANS - The knife-wielding man shot to death by New Orleans police in a confrontation caught on videotape had a long arrest record, Police Superintendent Warren Riley said Wednesday.

Anthony Hayes, 38, was shot Monday after allegedly lunging at police with a 3-inch blade. Part of Hayes' confrontation with 18 officers - though not the shooting itself - was videotaped by at least three bystanders.

Riley said Hayes had a long record, but he wouldn't give details.

He told reporters he knew nothing directly about Hayes' mental health, only that relatives have told television stations he was schizophrenic.

Two sergeants and one patrol officer fired nine shots after Hayes tried to stab a lieutenant, Riley said. He said he did not have an autopsy report, so he did not know how many bullets hit Hayes.

The incident began when Hayes' credit card was rejected at a drug store, Riley told reporters Wednesday. He said Hayes punched a clerk or manager, opening a facial cut.

The first two officers on the scene tried to calm Hayes, who became aggressive and pulled a knife, and 16 more officers came to help, the chief said.

Patrol officers don't carry stun guns or beanbag guns, and there was no time to bring in a SWAT team, which might have had such equipment, he said.

"It happened within three minutes. SWAT couldn't have made it there in that time," Riley said. "And it's not a situation where normally SWAT would have been called."

The officers would have betrayed their police training if they had aimed to fire a non-lethal shot, Riley said Tuesday. The officers are trained to treat knife attacks as deadly force and are not schooled in disarming suspects with knives using hand-to-hand combat, he told The Associated Press.

Suspects shot in an arm or leg have been known to retaliate, sometimes hurting or killing officers, he said.

"The vast majority of police departments - state, local and federal - are trained to shoot-to-kill ... either the head or the chest area," he said.

An internal review will officially determine whether proper procedures were followed, Riley said, but he said all witness accounts indicate the shooting was justified. The officers who fired at the man have been reassigned pending an investigation.

The head of an independent watchdog group agreed that the shooting appeared to be justified, but said the death is another black mark for a beleaguered department.

"Even if it's determined that officers have done nothing wrong, the people will continue to have a negative opinion of police in this city" because of scandals over the past 10 to 15 years, said Rafael Goyeneche, executive director of the Metropolitan Crime Commission of Greater New Orleans.

Hayes' death follows the Oct. 8 videotaped beating of a retired teacher in the French Quarter that led to the firing of two officers last week, as well as a long string of pre- and post-Katrina problems. Immediately after the storm hit Aug. 29, some officers were accused of deserting their posts, others of looting.

Before the storm, the department's checkered history included corruption investigations and the conviction in the 1990s of an officer who arranged the murder of a woman who filed a brutality complaint against him.

One witness, local defense attorney Robert Jenkins, said police showed "great restraint" in the shooting Monday. "They hit him with a host of pepper spray and he still doesn't go down," said Jenkins. "He just wipes his face like it's nothing."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: deadcriminal; neworleans
Only a crazy person would take a 3" knife to a gunfight.
1 posted on 12/28/2005 1:52:48 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

>>Patrol officers don't carry stun guns or beanbag guns<<
Why the hell not? Every cop should have a Taser for just such an occasion.


2 posted on 12/28/2005 1:57:39 PM PST by travlnmn41
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To: travlnmn41

The ACLU doesn't want police carrying Tasers. Somebody might get hurt.


3 posted on 12/28/2005 1:59:03 PM PST by SmithL (Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Lift up your gates and sing, Hosana in the highest! Hosana to your King!)
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To: SmithL
Knife-wielding man had long record I advised everyone to go over to CD's in the early 80's. But would they listen....
4 posted on 12/28/2005 2:05:13 PM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: vimto
Knife-wielding man had long record

Why didn't they just say "had an LP" or "a 33 1/3 rpm album".

5 posted on 12/28/2005 2:14:11 PM PST by GaltMeister (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”)
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To: GaltMeister

It was probably a copy of 'Jack the Knife.'


6 posted on 12/28/2005 2:15:53 PM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: SmithL

Your chances against a holstered gun at 20 feet with you armed with a knife are about even. Draw the gun and you are even at about 10 feet.

Cops don't like getting cut and body armor is no defense against a blade strike.


7 posted on 12/28/2005 2:37:06 PM PST by misterrob
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To: SmithL
The officers would have betrayed their police training if they had aimed to fire a non-lethal shot, Riley said Tuesday. The officers are trained to treat knife attacks as deadly force and are not schooled in disarming suspects with knives using hand-to-hand combat, he told The Associated Press.

That about says it all.

They are trained to "shoot to kill" as a standard response..

They are not trained or encouraged to "subdue" a subject, just kill them..

Move along folks, nothing happening here..

8 posted on 12/28/2005 3:51:33 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

I saw the video. I read the news reports. The guy did not attack anyone with the knife. Yes, he was a threat, but no one ever said being a cop is easy, except they decided to take the easy way out and kill him. I suspect they could have kept him contained and he would have given up in less than an hour. Just my opinion.


9 posted on 12/28/2005 3:58:54 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
I "discussed" this in a thread yesterday..

Things got nasty after a while and I left..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1547549/posts

10 posted on 12/28/2005 4:46:46 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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