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Bush was denied wiretaps, bypassed them (FISA Court denied them in unprecedented numbers)
UPI ^ | Dec. 27, 2005 | UPI

Posted on 12/27/2005 10:47:23 AM PST by Pragmatic_View

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To: Howlin
At least somebody remembered that the anti-american moonbat "federal jurist" was unanimously overturned by a 3 judge panel.
41 posted on 12/27/2005 11:05:15 AM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: Dog
Bush asked the court to do X...they court ordered him to do Y.....understand?

I thought that's what it said.. but they can't do that .. can they?

I THOUGHT it was Congress that wrote and amended the rules?

42 posted on 12/27/2005 11:05:41 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Baynative

I think he believes the legitimacy of his actions are self-evident. He seems disinterested in their political aspects. It's frustrating, especially since his enemies are so eminently bash-worthy. A few well-placed attacks would do wonders for rallying the troops.


43 posted on 12/27/2005 11:05:41 AM PST by speedy
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To: Pragmatic_View
So, 97% of the requests were approved as is, without modification. This is an "unprecedented" rate of rejection?

What's the number of annual requests that were approved, as compared with previous administrations?

44 posted on 12/27/2005 11:05:47 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: xcamel

How the hell can we fight terrorism when apparently the entire United States government is aligned AGAINST us!!!!


45 posted on 12/27/2005 11:06:33 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: ContemptofCourt

It's more like it's going to take a nuclear attack on a US city, before some people realize that the danger IS REAL.


46 posted on 12/27/2005 11:06:48 AM PST by Pragmatic_View
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To: Pragmatic_View
So, the President went through the proper channels on these wiretaps, and the court rebuffed him?

Puts a new spin on things.


47 posted on 12/27/2005 11:07:24 AM PST by rdb3 (This is a ch__ch. What's missing?)
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To: Howlin

Very enlightening.


48 posted on 12/27/2005 11:07:28 AM PST by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: Clara Lou
It would be interesting to know how many on the FISA court are Clinton placements.

No matter who originally appointed them federal judges, all members of the FISA court were appointed to that court by Chief Justice Rehnquist.

49 posted on 12/27/2005 11:08:09 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Howlin

Thanks .. I've been out of the loop on news the last few days


50 posted on 12/27/2005 11:08:29 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Mo1

Yes they can..


51 posted on 12/27/2005 11:08:46 AM PST by Dog ( ABMcM(Anybody but McCain....except Bill Frist))
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To: MNJohnnie
Clinton Appointees.

I thought the Chief Justice appointed fisa judges ?

52 posted on 12/27/2005 11:09:55 AM PST by oldbrowser (Release the Barrett Report)
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To: Baynative

Because those are all POLITICAL problems, and Bush doesn't commnet on snarky political fights.


53 posted on 12/27/2005 11:09:58 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: Pragmatic_View
U.S. President George Bush decided to skip seeking warrants for international wiretaps because the court was challenging him at an unprecedented rate.

There is nothing in this story to support this statement other than the crack(pot) analysis of the modification of a small percentage of the warrant requests.

179 of the 5,645

I'm calling B.S. on this conclusion. Three percent of your warrant requests get modified and that is your motivation to not consult the FISA court? That's a pretty weak piece of evidence upon which to base a conclusion. How many of the wiretaps authorized were domestic only in nature? How many total wiretaps were conducted without a warrant from the court?

It could be possible that the warrants discussed in this article were all domestic and that the number of warrantless taps were a small percentage of the taps conducted. We will never know because that would derail this whole story.

This is a perfect example of a journalist taking one fact, building some unsupportable conclusions from it, and writing a story around those conclusions. The Jayson Blair School of Journalism.

I will cease ranting.

54 posted on 12/27/2005 11:10:07 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Howlin
not "entire", just enough liberal plants by previous administrations, running courts, and important departments, that will do anything to maintain their liberal philosophy without regard to whom ever is in the white house, or who is in charge of congress.
55 posted on 12/27/2005 11:10:10 AM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: Mo1

Know what you mean! (The last of my Christmas company just left, so I'm doing laundry, getting ready for the people coming in to town for a wedding. UGH)


56 posted on 12/27/2005 11:10:54 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
I recall reading about FDR's plan to pack the Supreme Court but Clinton was able to pack the FISA Court with ACLU types without anyone noticing.

The members of the court are not appointed by the President, they arew appointed by the Chief Justice.

57 posted on 12/27/2005 11:11:14 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: USNBandit

indeed.. but I still smell a rat. I believe the modifications are waaaaay under reported.


58 posted on 12/27/2005 11:12:06 AM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: Wasanother; Pragmatic_View; Dog; Baynative; Recovering_Democrat; WatchYourself; CondorFlight; ...
No wonder Bush used his Constitutional Authorities rather than the FISA Courts. Any President in their right minds would have done the same thing and skip this sham court.

Whataya know, the UPI is telling the truth about this sham court while at the same time hoping it will make Bush look bad... I'm shocked.

For those of you who missed this, treat yourself to a great read.

59 posted on 12/27/2005 11:12:23 AM PST by demkicker
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To: Howlin; Clara Lou

So that's only two appointees during Clinton's administration and the rest under Bush, but all by a conservative Chief Justice.


60 posted on 12/27/2005 11:12:41 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Dirty Chinese money still makes D.C. go round.)
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