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Grass Roots (58,866 Denver residents voted to legalize pot among them, these moms)
Denver Post ^ | Dec. 27, 2005

Posted on 12/27/2005 9:16:00 AM PST by Wolfie

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To: Wolfie
Remember in the 1960's when the moms retreated to the shelter of their "mother's little helper" ? In those days they were abusing prescription sedatives.

Now they are smoking genetically enhanced cannabis.

I sounds to me like these people are unable to cope with the lives they are living and instead of addressing the problem they choose to get high and escape reality.
41 posted on 12/27/2005 11:29:52 AM PST by oldbrowser (Release the Barrett Report)
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To: Go_Raiders; massgopguy
"Put the word "man" at the end of every sentence."

Or "Dude," at the front, man.

I also replace showering with patchouli oil, wear tie-dye and ripped bell-bottoms but no shoes, eat a vegan diet, have no job except making bead jewelry, live with my parents, support Mumia, can never remember what day of the week it is, and drive an old VW van. Did I miss anything?

42 posted on 12/27/2005 11:30:32 AM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: oldbrowser
In those days they were abusing prescription sedatives.

Yes, thankfully Americans have thrown off the yolk of prescriptive mood modifiers.

43 posted on 12/27/2005 11:45:04 AM PST by Wolfie (Yes, kids, that's sarcasm.)
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To: bkwells
"It helps you stop thinking," says a 37-year-old Crestmoor mother of two, a mildly conservative Republican...

Presumably all of the others are Flaming Liberal Democrats!

44 posted on 12/27/2005 11:51:41 AM PST by rundy
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To: Aracelis
If you were involved with a drug rehab program, and discovered that one of your counselors was a user, wouldn't that feel like hypocrisy to you? It would to me, and I could never trust that counselor again.

At most, this means that one cannot be an effective drug rehab counselors ... a far cry from your claim, "One cannot be an effective/ethical psychologist".

45 posted on 12/27/2005 12:44:48 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: bkwells
it's almost like the author wants to trash Republicans

It's more like the author wants to show that not all Republicans are WODbots.

46 posted on 12/27/2005 12:47:11 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Wolfie

(Yes, kids, that's sarcasm.)

And very good sarcasm, at that. : )


47 posted on 12/27/2005 12:54:18 PM PST by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking guts, you coward.)
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To: oldbrowser
I sounds to me like these people are unable to cope with the lives they are living and instead of addressing the problem they choose to get high and escape reality.

Sounds that way to me too. Does it make sense to try to ban all the avenues by which they might try to effect that escape?

48 posted on 12/27/2005 12:58:17 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
Sounds that way to me too. Does it make sense to try to ban all the avenues by which they might try to effect that escape?

This particular "avenue" has tragic long term consequences for some people who are prone to escapism.

Trying to normalize pot smoking into the american routine may make certain people feel better about themselves but it might also lead other people into making some bad choices.

50 posted on 12/27/2005 1:44:00 PM PST by oldbrowser (Release the Barrett Report)
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To: Wolfie
The Washington Park mother says she doesn't know anybody in her age bracket with children who doesn't smoke pot.

Geez, some people never grow up. It's highly (no pun intended) unlikely that every single parent this gal knows is a pot user. Yet she falls back on the classic teenage "everyone is doing it" excuse.
51 posted on 12/27/2005 2:13:14 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: oldbrowser
...but it might also lead other people into making some bad choices.

FReedom rears it's ugly head, we'll have none of that! Blackbird.

52 posted on 12/27/2005 4:44:43 PM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: Know your rights
At most, this means that one cannot be an effective drug rehab counselors ... a far cry from your claim, "One cannot be an effective/ethical psychologist".

You're entitled to your opinion, however many psychological problems have their roots in drug (ab)use. If a psychologist advises someone to quit using pot because it interferes with their daily life while the therapist is him or herself a current user, is in my opinion at the very least a breach of ethics. One of those "Do as I say, not as I do" things that I have always detested.

As for me, I will treat my clients in the most ethical manner possible - and that includes avoiding hypocrisy at all cost.

53 posted on 12/27/2005 4:54:44 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: Aracelis

I suppose the counselor who drinks while advising clients to abstain would run into the same hypocrisy.


54 posted on 12/28/2005 5:02:53 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

I've never seen a "marijuana addict" before; Come to think of it, I've never seen anybody get stoned and come home and beat their wife either.

Anybody who says pot does more damage than alcohol is out of their mind.

Cancer claims are fraudulent as well. While it could be true that marijuana has 10x more of a certain carcinogen than tobacco, 1/100th the amount is smoked.


55 posted on 12/28/2005 5:55:23 AM PST by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Wolfie
I suppose the counselor who drinks while advising clients to abstain would run into the same hypocrisy.

Carried to its logical conclusion, yes...however alcohol is a legally obtainable substance for adults. This does not make consumption "right" or appropriate, but it is legal. Your arguments revolve around legality, thus if The People do not like current laws, they should labor to change them.

Prohibition did not work. In fact, alcohol consumption increased during those years, solely because it was illegal. Personally, I believe the War on Drugs is a complete waste of time and resources. Education about the effects of substance abuse, teaching personal responsibility and accountability, plus ethical and medically sound psychotherapy are far better answers to simply outlawing drugs.

Ethanol (ETOH) has a variety of effects upon the brain, not the least of which includes opening GABA receptor sites on the surface of the posterior synapse. In some individuals this effect is useful: for instance those demonstrating hypocampal atrophy from long term stress secrete very low levels of GABA and therefore are subject to anxiety, depression, and sleep disorders. ETOH mimics the effects of GABA, as do certain tranquilizers and tetracannibinoids, thereby aborting anxiety attacks, and temporarily relieving the symptoms of depression. The effects on sleep are far more deleterious, for REM periods are supressed by ETOH and most other tranquilizing substances.

ETOH has also been implicated in altering the dopamine reward system, but in some individuals this alteration results in alcoholism. There are however, new drugs that block the dopamine reward system (Campral is one such medication), more or less making ETOH consumption irrelevant for some individuals.

The problem with ETOH is its cumulative physiological effects. The same is true for tranquilizers and other medications, but the often overlooked goal of psychotherapy is to eliminate or significantly decrease dependence on chemical intervention. One way to do this is through rehabilitative excercises designed to regenerate the hypocampus, and thus functionality.

And here we return to the issue of ethics, and the problem is two-fold: First, as identified by the individuals interviewed for this article, is the easy acceptance of regular neurochemical alteration. The second is that insurance companies find it cheaper to medicate patients than actually treat disorders. The former attitude is reinforced by the latter, yet drugs of choice are illegal.

But go ahead and use whatever you wish. Someday you may end up on my "couch", however I will treat you as a human being that deserves a solution - not more medication.

56 posted on 12/28/2005 7:24:10 AM PST by Aracelis
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To: oldbrowser
This particular "avenue" has tragic long term consequences for some people who are prone to escapism.

Trying to normalize pot smoking into the american routine may make certain people feel better about themselves but it might also lead other people into making some bad choices.

All equally true about the legality of the drug alcohol. Do you support banning that drug too?

57 posted on 12/28/2005 8:31:40 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Aracelis
many psychological problems have their roots in drug (ab)use. If a psychologist advises someone to quit using pot because it interferes with their daily life while the therapist is him or herself a current user, is in my opinion at the very least a breach of ethics.

So must an ethical psychologist also be a teetotaler lest he ever have a patient who's a problem drinker?

58 posted on 12/28/2005 8:33:52 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Aracelis
Carried to its logical conclusion, yes...however alcohol is a legally obtainable substance for adults. This does not make consumption "right" or appropriate, but it is legal.

How is the drug's legal status relevant to the hypocrisy of advising someone to stop doing what one does oneself?

Prohibition did not work. In fact, alcohol consumption increased during those years, solely because it was illegal. Personally, I believe the War on Drugs is a complete waste of time and resources. Education about the effects of substance abuse, teaching personal responsibility and accountability, plus ethical and medically sound psychotherapy are far better answers to simply outlawing drugs.

I agree.

59 posted on 12/28/2005 8:38:46 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Wolfie
She first got stoned around her daughter when the girl was 9 at the Burning Man festival in the Nevada desert, an annual bacchanal that attracts thousands of artists, oddballs and thrill-seekers.

Mother of the year award? /sarcasm

60 posted on 12/28/2005 8:43:03 AM PST by arizonarachel ("Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men," Col 3:23)
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