Posted on 12/24/2005 8:04:58 AM PST by carlo3b
Liberals, Conservatives, Moderates, it's a special time, can we find a little peace?
I have been wanting to do this for quite some time. Somewhere deep inside I believe that there can be a bit of common ground between the Left side of the political spectrum, and the Right. Why would we want this, assuming of course that there is someone other than me that would like to see that happen. I believe that there are many things about our wonderful nation that we share that could serve as a starting point to start a healing between us.
I think we should try it, if only for the sacrifice so many have made to afford us this opportunity. If I am right, I'll bet there are some things, more than we imagine, that we have in common, and given a real chance we may find them..
If we can at least agree that we as a nation, have been slowly dividing culturally for quite some time. Perhaps we can even go a bit further, I think our society is sick, and it can use threatening to become truly polarized, to the point of permanent harm to the very fabric of our being..
Help me make a list of those things that make us a country that is united..
Please I am serious, list anything that you can, that you believe you agree would be a compromise on your part for the good of our nation..
Moderator, please give us a bit of latitude, and maybe we can start a dialogue that will benefit all.. Merry ()
I'll start..
1) As much as it would burn my butt, I believe I could live with Gay Marriage if the Gay community could stop the Gay agenda, infiltration into our public schools, and private businesses.. You know what I mean.. I.E.: School, Diversity training, Gay-Straight, and tolerance BS.. and Boy Scouts, Salivation Army.. etc., I don't want to count the number of right wing conservatives in the offices of the ACLU. You don't want the 10 commandants being taught or a class on religious freedom, and creation, I say we both back down, and teach our own kids..2) I don't like being told that I can't have religious symbols in the marketplace, but can we agree that any private business should be able to display any religious display it wishes without litigious reprisals? If the anyone in the public hates it, they could avoid that business as they wish..
3) I could live with abortion in cases of forcible rape, and the life of the mother or the baby, and even financial crises.. I am an adoptive parent, and I really can't think of a way to justify giving birth to every baby without a plan to care for it with love and security until maturity..
4) I believe there are still reminisces of sick racial prejudice in pockets of our society but I also believe affirmative action is insidious and cruel in main. I would agree to the harshest of penalty if anyone is caught withholding a job or position simply because of a persons race.. But I must say that I have no idea how to prove a case.. I have seen it happen on both sides and I wanted to scream, perhaps I will the next time, and maybe that is a start..
developing..
I can understand what you're trying to say, Carlo. However, I have a feeling you've started this Christmas Eve day not as CookingWithCarlo, but as CookingWithSherry.
SEEEEEE.. it's a start.. :)
We should focus on the stuff that effects kids, public health etc. For instance NAMBLA and school curriculum. That's something worth fighting against.
We have evolved here to irrational generalizing and fighting against stuff that involves liberty, pursuit of happenness, and equal access to government. That's what's wrong with the "anti-agenda" zealots.
The owner says he's against homosexualism, whatever that is. There is a big difference between NAMBLA and someone who wants to marry. Maybe that would help define his point. But few here make any disctictions. In an effort to fight the radicals, we step on the every day person who doesn't march in the parade wearing chaps and isn't cruising the schoolyard to pick up kids.
There was a time on the FR when someone came in with a different view, they were not zotted down. We argued with them and tried to educate them. Many of us learned from those exchanges in our early days. Now we're all about cats and lightening bolts.
That's the end of my rant. Merry Christmas, even to those of you who disagree with me and are always wrong. : )
Santa's in trouble if he fires that weapon with his thumb behind the slide like that. :-P
I'd be willing to forgo a wall at the border. I think the liberals are right in that it portrays a negative image for America. What we should do instead is go after businesses that hire illegals. Anyone caught doing so should be slam dunked, and slapped with fines stiff enough to make employers cringe at the thought of hiring illegal aliens. That will end the problem in short order, and I think it's a fair compromise to fortifying the border.
Hmmm.... Where would I agree to a "little bit of cancer"? Sorry, but I can't think of any compromise of principle on my part that would be "for the good of the nation".
But, Merry Christmas! anyway,
LH
You already have about 6 replies that illustrate my point.
You are a smart fellow, I have read much of what you say on many subjects, can't you at least list one small thing.. please
Interesting that I didn't know you were an adoptive parent as I am also. I guess I could live with abortion for incest, rape or the mothers life, but it pains me to go even that far.
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and a Prosperous New Year
Hahahhhaahahah.. No but maybe I should adjust my meds.. Good point.. we shall see.. :)
I agree as well.. this is what I mean.. more?
No. Not as long as the media has a liberal agenda and people believe anything they say.
Marriage is not a private matter. It's a very public act, at least in our society.
Just think for a minute about how thing are going to progress from here. As homosexuality becomes more and more normalized, you're going to see it more and more in movies, TV shows, advertisements, etc. Kids are going to be brought up in a culture that tells them that homosexuality and heterosexuality are just two sides of the same coin. As they pass into adolescence, a lot of kids get conflicting signals. If they happen to follow the one that leads to homosexuality, then far more likely than not they're going to get caught up in a miserable way of life. That's the danger here.
It's very easy for all of us to close our eyes to it by pretending it's not our business. But reality will catch up with us on that.
You're making the same mistake that I referred to. The agenda has many points. Everything a homosexual may want is not necessarilly wrong. To marry someone you love is not a problem to anyone else and may also increase monogomy and thus public health. Also, we know that married couples live longer.
That issus is a lot different than having some school curriculum for 5th graders about homosexual sex.
If you need a boogeyman, go right ahead and fight the "agenda." It's intellectually dishonest, lazy, and anti-american.
This is how we have lived with our 5 ducks understanding of the odd swan in our nest.. Four of my children came from their mommas tummy, my little blonde came from her daddy's heart.. :)
Grind up all environmentalists and reduce them to crude oil would be a start.
Merry Christmas to all!
Your creeping homosexuality argument is already in play. Look at the movies and TV. You don't deny individual people liberty, freedom, and equal government access because you are fighting some monolithic societal change. It is analogous to putting people in the back of the bus because they are incroaching on society with their harmful demands of being full citizens.
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