“Thank you Jimmy Carter”--Carter Agrees With Bush Spying

***Both stocks have a price spike in September.

What happened then that made the stocks more desirable? ***

My guess is that the hurricanes increased sales of newspaper and interest in other forms of media.

I would just as soon have Jimmy Carter stay off my side since he's been such a crackhead on a lot of other issues. A stopped clock is right twice a day.

All this stuff has been repeatedly posted on FR. I didn't save any of it. Use search and you'll find it.

He helped the Islamic revolution bring down the Shah of Iran over a debt?

Not over a debt. The Shah owed nothing to us or to Carter. Carter sent a delegation of his crooked friends to Iran to tell the Shah to cancel the contract he had with an American co. to make Iran a deep water port for oil export. The crooks were to tell the Shah to add a %age to the new contract for Carter and then re-let the contract to the same American co. at the higher price. There are also writings of the Shah's that verify this meeting in addition to the Soviet records. The Shah was shocked that an American president would demand a bribe from him and he said, "No." Carter told him he would take him down and began to work with the Commies to bring Khomeni to power and create a revolution in Iran. The Shah became seriously ill at the same time Carter and the Russians were busy stirring up the Islamic revolution to bring Khomeni to power and lost his ability to fight back. As for Carter caring about the hostages - he cared when they threatened his political life and tried to make a deal with the Soviets to use their influence to try to deep-six Reagan by having them released to him, but Khomeni wouldn't play along. Carter is still damaging US by running around the world "certifying" stolen elections like Chavez' to bring more Commie America haters to power and bad mouthing US policy every opportunity he gets. Somebody up the thread listed a book about the real Carter that you might be interested in reading.

MY PREDICTION:

Jimmy Carter will write a lengthy op-ed piece for the NY Slimes detailing why his spying without court orders or permission was totally different and Constitutional from G.W. Bush's.

The fix is in: the Slimes and the 'rats (but I repeat myself) will do anything to undermine President Bush and the War on Terror!

http://rescueattempt.tripod.com/id24.html

Jimmy Carter Under Fire for Recruiting Soviets Against Reagan

Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com
Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002
WASHINGTON Former President Jimmy Carter owes an explanation to the American people for his behavior during the Cold War, says the author of a new book.

"Reagans War reveals new information that Carter, as president and later as a private citizen, sought the help of an avowed foreign enemy of this country to undermine Reagans candidacy in 1980 and, even more shocking, tried to cripple President Reagans foreign policy in 1984.

The former Democrat president, who had been ousted by voters four years earlier, wanted the Soviets to help him put a Democrat back in the White House.

Speaking Tuesday at a seminar at the Institute of World Politics, the books author, Peter Schweizer, said Jimmy Carter owes a full explanation, and then depending on his answer, a decision could be made as to whether the former president "stepped over the line from pure dissent to giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

NewsMax.com CEO Christopher Ruddy has written that Carter "may well have committed treason by enlisting the help of the Soviet Union in the 1980 and 1984 presidential elections.

"Its a fair question for him [Carter] to give his account of what happened, and a response, which he has not done, the author told NewsMax.com. "Then, you know, depending on his reaction and response, there needs to be further discussion. The other thing potentially that perhaps ought to be asked [is] that Moscow release any files it has on the meetings.

"All we have right now, Schweizer added, "is based on these accounts by [former Soviet Ambassador] Dobrynin. And it begs the question: Is there any more material based on his [Carters] dealings with Moscow?

'Carter Won't Forget' Soviet Assistance

Schweizers book, which is going straight to the top of the best-seller list, reveals that during the 1980 campaign when Reagan was gaining in the polls, Carter "dispatched [pro-Soviet industrialist] Armand Hammer to the Soviet Embassy for a secret meeting with Ambassador Dobrynin to ask for Soviet help with Jewish emigration and other potential vote-getting issues for a sitting president. The Soviets were promised that "Carter wont forget that service if he is re-elected.

Schweizer reports that when Reagan was running for re-election in 1984, Carter himself visited Ambassador Dobrynin warning there "would not be a single agreement on arms control, especially on nuclear arms, as long as Reagan was in power.

Carter wanted the Soviet Union to help the Democrats regain the presidency. History shows his prophecy about no hope for a nuclear arms agreement to be wrong. It was a part of Reagan's success in ending the Cold War on Americas terms.

Asking Carter to explain to Americans this part of his stewardship is most "reasonable, in Schweizers view. When he asked the former president about this, all the author got was "No comment.

location: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/29/201145.shtml

Peter Schweizer, a Hoover Institution research fellow, has just written a new book, "Reagan's War: The Epic Story of His Forty-Year Struggle and Final Triumph Over Communism."

This book may well force historians to revise the history of the Cold War.

Schweizer, after scouring once-classified KGB, East German Stasi and Soviet Communist Party files, discovered incontrovertible evidence that the Soviets not only played footsie with high-ranking Democrats, they also worked behind the scenes to influence American elections.

In "Reagan's War," Schweizer shows how the Democrats worked with Moscow to try to undermine Reagan before and after he became president.

Jimmy Carter's Dirty Tricks

Soviet diplomatic accounts and material from the archives show that in January 1984, former President Jimmy Carter dropped by Soviet Ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin's residence for a private meeting.

Carter expressed his concern about and opposition to Reagan's defense buildup. He boldly told Dobrynin that Moscow would be better off with someone else in the White House. If Reagan won, he warned, "There would not be a single agreement on arms control, especially on nuclear arms, as long as Reagan remained in power."

Using the Russians to influence the presidential election was nothing new for Carter.

Schweizer reveals Russian documents that show that in the waning days of the 1980 campaign, the Carter White House dispatched businessman Armand Hammer to the Soviet Embassy.

Hammer was a longtime Soviet-phile, and he explained to the Soviet ambassador that Carter was "clearly alarmed" at the prospect of losing to Reagan.

Hammer pleaded with the Russians for help. He asked if the Kremlin could expand Jewish emigration to bolster Carter's standing in the polls.

'Carter Won't Forget That Service'

"Carter won't forget that service if he is elected," Hammer told Dobrynin.

Carter was not the only Democrat to make clear to the Russians where their loyalty lay. As the election neared in 1984, Dobrynin recalls meetings with Speaker of the House Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill.

O'Neill told Dobrynin that no effort should be spared to prevent "that demagogue Reagan" from being re-elected.

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http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2002/10/16/214040

Jimmy Carter and the 40 Ayatollahs
Diane Alden
Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002
By Middle East standards the Shah of Iran was a progressive democrat. In the eyes of President Jimmy Carter and certain foreign policy factions in the State Department and various think tanks, the Shah represented the heart of darkness.

In an article in May 2002, NewsMax's Chris Ruddy pointed out:

"Remember Carter's human rights program, where he demanded the Shah of Iran step down and turn over power to the Ayatollah Khomeini? "No matter that Khomeini was a madman. Carter had the U.S. Pentagon tell the Shah's top military commanders about 150 of them to acquiesce to the Ayatollah and not fight him.

"The Shah's military listened to Carter. All of them were murdered in one of the Ayatollah's first acts.

"By allowing the Shah to fall, Carter created one of the most militant anti-American dictatorships ever."

[See: Jimmy Carter's Trail of Disaster.]

As has been reported in NewsMax previously, Carter still receives a great deal of money from the Arab world for his Carter Center in Atlanta.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/29/170201.shtml

Sounds kinda like what the Democrats are doing now!

"But apparently, the courts seem to have ruled otherwise, at least according to what some freepers have posted. I'd have to look at those rulings myself, though, to see exactly what kind of latitude they purport to give him. But my gut feeling is that his actions were illegal."

Thanks for your reply. I truly am just trying to figure this out.
I just can't help but wonder, why so much debate? Should not someone be able to prove a law was broken or not?

I truly hope that none were, but I may have to say, in this case, I feel it neededto be done. But, better if he could prove it was done legally.
I would like to read what the courts ruled as you mention. I have not seen that.

Well, he did sign the Foreign Intelligence Survelliance Act into law.

lol

I was just flipping through James Bamford's Body of Secrets and landed on a page that detailed how the NSA discovered that Billy Carter was acting as an unregistered agent for Libya.

How despicable, spying on your own brother. What else is Jimmy going to say?

Thanks, Michael. That is an excellent comparison. Free Republic's Daily Page Views are up and the stocks for the NY Slimes, Compost and Tribune are down.

Merry Christmas Jim Robinson!

I just can't help but wonder, why so much debate? Should not someone be able to prove a law was broken or not?

Apparently not without a security clearance, because all we got was very limited information. But I'd think someone in Congress would be able to. And that probably goes to show that this is being made out to be more than it is, because the President has insisted that Congress has been informed of the program, and to my knowledge, no one in Congress has directly contradicted him on that.

I still don't understand why the President agreed to confirm this story in the first place. Predictably, it has resulted in a feeding frenzy of leaks. We even have one idiotic magazine reporting on a classified program to monitor potential nuclear radiation around mosques (thread here).

I would like to read what the courts ruled as you mention. I have not seen that.

Another poster directed me to this ruling (warning: PDF) by the FISA court. Page 48 contains the pertinent excerpt:

"We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President’s constitutional power."

I haven't had time to peruse it, because there's a lot going on around here ('tis the season), but I'd like to look it over in further detail when I get the chance.

I, also, agree with you in reference to #84 about his/her remark that Carter is senile beecause he is in his 80s.

Age is not the only reason that may render someone senile.
I know senile individuals who are in their 50s and 60s.

I, too, am in my 80s and "damn it," I'm far from being senile!

#84, wise up!

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 prescribes procedures for requesting judicial authorization for electronic surveillance and physical search of persons engaged in espionage or international terrorism against the United States on behalf of a foreign power.

Requests are adjudicated by a special eleven member court called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

EXERCISE OF CERTAIN AUTHORITY RESPECTING ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE

EO 12139 23 May 1979

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By the authority vested in me as President by Sections 102 and 104 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802 and 1804), in order to provide as set forth in that Act (this chapter) for the authorization of electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes, it is hereby ordered as follows:

1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order, but only if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that Section.

1-102. Pursuant to Section 102(b) of the Foreign Intelligence Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(b)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve applications to the court having jurisdiction under Section 103 of that Act (50 U.S.C. 1803) to obtain orders for electronic surveillance for the purpose of obtaining foreign intelligence information.

1-103. Pursuant to Section 104(a)(7) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1804(a (7)), the following officials, each of whom is employed in the area of national security or defense, is designated to make the certifications required by Section 104(a)(7) of the Act in support of applications to conduct electronic surveillance:

(a) Secretary of State.
(b) Secretary of Defense.
(c) Director of Central Intelligence.
(d) Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
(e) Deputy Secretary of State.
(f) Deputy Secretary of Defense.
(g) Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.

None of the above officials, nor anyone officially acting in that capacity, may exercise the authority to make the above certifications, unless that official has been appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.

1-104. Section 2-202 of Executive Order No. 12036 (set out under section 401 of this title) is amended by inserting the following at the end of that section: ''Any electronic surveillance, as defined in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, shall be conducted in accordance with that Act as well as this Order.''.

1-105. Section 2-203 of Executive Order No. 12036 (set out under section 401 of this title) is amended by inserting the following at the end of that section: ''Any monitoring which constitutes electronic surveillance as defined in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 shall be conducted in accordance with that Act as well as this Order.''.

Jimmy Carter.

SBD

RE:Liberals"Are they deliberately obtuse or just plain evil?"Both,and i'd say desperate too.They also know they can get away with it.If the allegations don't stick, the story will be forgotten by the msm.The msm/libs/dems will simply move on to something else they believe they can exploit.

Did Jimmy Carter say this in the last few days, or is the NYT just getting around to acknowledging that it was he who started the practice?

Good question.