"Guest Worker' Programs: Open-Ended Slavery

CHJ ^ | Dec. 22, 2005 | Chris Adamo

[seastay]

I guess it depends on how one wants to define slavery, one could argue that slaves were employees too, because they came here as a result of their own families and governments sending them, they were provided with housing and food by our country once arrived, and of course work, they were not allowed to be citizens, and they could leave on their own free will if they were willing to pay the consequences, yet this description is the life style of an illegal immigrant.

However, I see your point too, we all choose our crosses to bear, call it work or slavery, call it the fall of man, or call it opportunity, it just a matter if one sees the glass half empty or half full as to how our strife is described.

There is a limit to capitlisim in my opinion, when it reached a point were workers cannot afford to buy a decent standard of living with the wages they earn, have no choice to work or face death (starvation or shooting, whatever) have no citizenship rights, are subsidized for their own food and shelter or healthcare by robbing the fruits of labor from other citizens , then this borders on slavery. But some may just call this poverty, I understand…

By the way thanks for letting me sound off on this, it’s a good place to let off the steam even if there are no clear answers to be found...

[Jim Robinson]

I'm not arguing for illegals. Catch them and deport them. I don't care. But as I've said, there has to be some kind of program for bringing in legal workers as needed. Let's face it. Our education system here in California is just not graduating qualified field workers in the numbers needed.

[Jim Robinson]

I don't know. I guess I still favor capitalism and free markets over any kind of system where government controls wages, prices, production, markets, capital resources, etc, etc.

[PJ-Comix]

Hey Jim! This is OT but did you know that the 16 year old HS student with Liberal parents who called Rush Limbaugh today is a Freeper (RealTeen) and is chatting with us on this THREAD?

[Borax Queen]

FYI Ping to "Guest Worker' Programs: Open-Ended Slavery"

[janetgreen]

ping!

[NewRomeTacitus]

While the similarities to slavery are arguable (yet undeniable), all the pieces are in place for an inevitable uprising of a class of people relegated to second-class status. It's either ironic or on purpose that the liberals insistence on ESL and "cultural preservation" in the name of their false god Diversity is actually speeding the process by increasing the scrabbling Hispanics' overall alienation from the mainstream...fodder for the reconquista and Aztlanite radicals eager to foment revolution here. Yes, they're a minority in their minority but they have the advantage of building on lies the Mexican government has already drilled into their children during their scant education.

Meanwhile the well-off citizenry using this subclass to unfairly and illegally gain profit over their more ethical competitors blithely overlook how the "help" is living in overcrowded squalor and receptive to the radical seething as well. As the author of the article pointed out, there will never be enough foreigners to slake the never ending pursuit for bottom-dollar labor in an environment without enforcement - especially when its driven by a boardroom culture that shuns longterm strategies for quarterly profits. At least the "robber barons" of a previous era had an eye toward improving the lot of the commoners with some of their earnings (Carnegie, Vanderbilt, etc.); this modern bunch won't let a dime slip unless there's a tax break or an ego trip involved. Part of that is resentment over unfair taxation but giving scads of funding to one's oppressors strikes me as a funny way to protest.

Nowadays it seems that the commoners' lot is supposed to be locked out of ever improving itself: wage stagnation, off-shoring and the replacement of citizens with imported workers combined with retarded technological development due to the backward dependence on stoop labor does not bode well for our future in the emerging global interdependent economy. Driving the middle class taxpayers to poverty equals feudalism - a nation eventually just as stagnant and ethically impoverished as Mexico today. Keep looking the other way and tell yourself that the corruption the illegals bring to every aspect to our society isn't corroding its very foundation.

I regret that so many yahoos have jumped on the bandwagon with their hate packages, but the bottom line remains that the current laws have to be enforced NOW before they never can be. Politically correct claptrap from the Wall Street Journal be damned - they lost all credibility the moment they promoted profit over sovereignty, false prophets of profit over everything else worthwhile in life. The illegal aliens - the hardworking financial refugees of their respective countries - need to be in those countries helping build infrastructure, stable government and viable economies worthy of our respect...not here dragging down ours while helping shore up their home countries with remittance funds (money never again circulated in our economy if you don't count the drug trade). A crackdown like our House just passed is a critical boon for the future of Mexico and satellite countries overdependent on their purposely displaced expatriates' Wells Fargo transfers.

Getting tough now is comparable to removing the dead toe before the gangrene spreads to the rest of the body. Failing to be strong (blanching over the inevitable bad press, protests, racist accusations and business pressure) sets a path toward America's eventual impotence as a 2nd rate country. Being strong enough to weather the press's scorn and their master's threats is far more preferable than the chaos that will result if we continue as we have. It must be done.

[Jim Robinson]

B/S. People have been working at low wage menial jobs since the founding of the republic and before. And happy to do so. They are not slaves. And for the one thousandth time, I'm not defending illegal immigration. Sheesh. Pile on to someone else.

[NewRomeTacitus]

This wasn't about people willing or unwilling to work low-wage jobs - it's about how we, as a country, are conducting business. I'm saying we're screwing our citizens, legal immigrants and those worthy wishing to come here by allowing this garbage of utilizing illegals to slide by for the benefit of high-dollar political contributors. Right versus wrong is not B/S.

I wish you an excellent Christmas, sir. I'll be working through mine without qualm or regret - never have lived up to the stereotype of being too lazy for anything and I don't want to know the sort of people who perpetuate that.

[nicmarlo]

Well said, valid points, and excellent observations.

BumPing.

[stocksthatgoup]

"Guest Worker' Programs: Open-Ended Slavery" or how can you keep em down on the farm.

[The Coopster]

I've often thought having everything in English and Spanish is partially a very cynical attempt by the powers that be to discourage illegals from learning English.

That makes little or no sense.

Let's say that I show you a word in a language you don't speak. Will you know what it says? Of course not. If I show you that word over and over, does it mean you'll figure it out? Probably not.

Now I show you the word in BOTH the foreign language and English. Behold - now you have the foreign word, AND it's English translation.

How is that so hard to figure out?

[Old Professer]

Do you want to hear about the termites in my desk?

[The Coopster]

But we cannot even consider a "Guest Worker" program until we do enough to secure the borders against Illegals...otherwise you will definitely be rewarding Illegals for their Illegal behaviour.

Actually, that's not a true statement.

The agriculture industry uses the H2B labor visa - a guest worker program. All paperwork (passports, visas, I-94, etc) are done BEFORE the worker ever crosses the border. Additionally, the workers pay taxes at the same rate that I do.

As an aside, I have found that the best way to determine if a worker is legal or not is whether or not they file a tax return.

[Uncle Vlad]

Great, then, let's make the language of everyone coming in here from a foreign country available, hundreds and hundreds of languages. That's the only way we can make it fair.

The point is, everyone else who came here before from foreign countries learned the language. We had no foreign signage or documentation. People who came here before wanted to become Americans, not separatists. If we don't return to the idea of language, border, culture, we're going to lose our country.

[The Coopster]

I understand where you're coming from.

But your original statement - to which I replied - was ridiculous. There's no conspiracy to keep people from learning English. That's just silly.

[JoeBob]

Re: Your Post #45.

Well said.

I think this article by Chris Adamo is so relevant that I have copied it and am FAXing a copy to my Representative.

In a continuing correspondence with him he has never committed himself one way or the other as to his stand on the *Guest Worker* program touted by Bush although he has said he supports more border security. Maybe this article (and others I have sent him) will finally get him off the fence.

[Uncle Vlad]

Conspiracy, no. But it sure makes it easier for people not to have to learn English.