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To: HairOfTheDog
gridlock->Men are just not ready to settle down at 25 (or 35!) anymore, but they don't want to settle down with a 40-year-old woman when they finally get round to it.

You->I hope they got to hell!

That's awfully harsh HOTD!. Why such animosity for people who are just trying to be happy?

The only thing allowing that is the willingness for everyone to have all the sex they want outside of marriage. And you freely admit men have the best of both worlds, and yet on this thread women are the problem.

I agree that sexual promiscuity is a huge problem that affects all of society. This is just one way, "Why buy the cow when the milk is free". Historically a woman's virtue was prized and protected by her until her marriage. Now she gives it away at a moment's notice.

I'm not absolving men of any responsibility here at all but the fact is that the man can't do anything without the woman's cooperation and biologically men and women are different. Men's drives are stronger, and for the most part when younger, men tend to let the wrong head do the thinking. It's always been this way but society's rules (which were strictly enforced) helped men keep better control of themselves back then. Now society's rules tell the young man "get laid all you want it's normal and expected"

Some men find good lives with ~shock~ women their own age :~D

This is true and is a great thing. But why blame a guy for marrying young especially if he wants kids. And if he wants kids then he should marry as young as he can so that his wife will have plenty of healthy child bearing years left. When the time comes for me to remarry I cannot marry someone my own age. They are out of their child bearing years.

Even if he doesn't want kids, why not get the best looking 'trophy' wife if you can (assuming that her character,morals etc are good also)

With rare exceptions it's all but insane for a guy to get married if he doesn't want kids. He's better off financially if he's single. Female companionship is easily available. He has total control of his free time to hang out with the guys, golf, hunt, fish, whatever. His money is his to spend and no one else's. And the big one, as long as he is careful (get's himself fixed if he's sure he doesn't want kids) there's no chance that he will lose his house and future earnings to some one who was just using him to make a living.

Is this cynical? You bet. Is it wise with regard to the state of the family law courts these days. Absolutely.

The sexual revolution (feminism etc) has destroyed the concept of marrying the girl of your dreams right out of school and making a life together. There are precious few of us left who want that (or admit that we do) enough to take the risks involved. Is this fixable? Yes, but it will take us conservatives raising our children to spurn liberals and everything associated with them. Then the next generation can back to living good lives.

(Sorry, I slipped into rant mode when I wasn't looking)

437 posted on 12/23/2005 5:22:25 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
That's awfully harsh HOTD!. Why such animosity for people who are just trying to be happy?

Sorry, I lose my temper sometimes!

I'm not absolving men of any responsibility here at all

Yes you are.

When the time comes for me to remarry I cannot marry someone my own age. They are out of their child bearing years.

Then just maybe, you missed your fair chance. Or just maybe, you will get lucky and find a woman with kids she is trying to raise alone just like you.

Even if he doesn't want kids, why not get the best looking 'trophy' wife if you can (assuming that her character,morals etc are good also)

Because you are intentionally going to leave her a widow when she has a lot of years left. Years where you see her as unfit to find another mate to share her old age with. You apparently have no trouble at all breeding children till you die, leaving them all without a father. "Child-rearing years" apply to men as well.

Good for you I guess, but a lousy deal for the woman and I'd say she's a fool. Particularly if she knows why you want her.

The sexual revolution (feminism etc) has destroyed the concept of marrying the girl of your dreams right out of school and making a life together. There are precious few of us left who want that (or admit that we do) enough to take the risks involved.

This is malarky. Divorce court has never ruined a good marriage.

451 posted on 12/23/2005 7:06:46 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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