[Zionist Conspirator]

Where are the religious Left, the feminist critics of "male science," the Third World/indigenous foes of "alien western philosophy" corruting the savages, and the campus crusaders against "dead white European males?" They seem to have changed sides on this one or are sitting it out.

Just a reminder: Darwin works have always been exempt from the purges of the multiculturalists because he serves as the foundation of their whole worldview.

Oh, and, Dr. Myers, `od 'Avraham 'Avinu chay, and there is not a scientist or atheist living whose name will ever shine as brightly. Sorry.

[Radix]

I do not have time to read the entire article, but I did read some of the words of the Judge involved in this case.

That judge is a complete hypocrite, and he is certainly not an example of what objectivity is, by his words.

[Texas Eagle]

Why is Darwinism considered science? It's pure guesswork.

[little jeremiah]

later read/pingout.

[weegee]

Freedom of religion is not freedom from religion.

Don't allow Atheism to become the state religion (and it is a faith, it asserts that there absolutely is no god).

[wallcrawlr]

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Revelation 4:11Intelligent Design
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[betty boop]

"Safety demands that religion be put in cages," explains Dennett, "when absolutely necessary....The message is clear: those who will not accommodate, who will not temper, who insist on keeping only the purest and wildest strains of their heritage alive, we will be obliged, reluctantly, to cage or disarm, and we will do our best to disable the memes they fight for."

Safety??? Who's safety? His? Is Dennett so delusional that he thinks the Christians are coming after him? Or are joined in a cabal to suspend the Constitution and impose a theocracy? Jeepers, such hysterics....

What a blithering idiot Dennett is.... One gathers he would not be reluctant to use coercion and force so that his "pristine opinion," his superior "meme," can prevail in the marketplace of ideas. I wonder how many people appreciate the closet fascism that lies at the bottom of such statements.

Sigh....

Thanks for the post, Zionist Conspirator!

[little jeremiah]

Moral Absolutes Ping.

I like this article, as far as it goes. Makes his point, and I agree with it. Dawkins also said (as quoted in, IIRC, "Darwin on Trial", unless it was in "Shattering the Myths of Darwinism") that people who believe in God are wicked.

Many people who consider themselves religious or believers in God want to believe in the TOE because they don't want to think of themselves, or have others think of them, as ignorant fanatic flat earthers. Here's my response:

1. To live one's life or hold beliefs in order to curry favor or garner the approval of others is a miserable type of slavery.

2. Truth is is light, and ignorance is darkness. Find the truth, and that is all that is imporant.

3. Look at motives. Look at character. Read the books that criticize the TOE, as many as you can. Then, MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND.

4. Keep in mind that the TOE is a type of cultural myth that all "better" people are supposed to believe in, or they are cultural misfits. But think of this - if we all lived in the ancient Mayan culture (I think it was the Mayas), they believed that the sun would go out every so often, 50-odd years, if everyone in the kingdom didn't stay wide awake for seven days! So everyone, from babies to grandmas, had to stay away for one solid week, living in the fear that the sun would go dark if they didn't.

Moral of the story: People can and do believe all kinds of nonsensical crap en masse. Large numbers of people believing something doesn't give it any credence or weight.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.

(My personal viewpoint is the the TOE is in its death throes. That's why its proponents are so viciously rabid and angry.)

:-)

[Antoninus]

Ain't it funny how the Darwinian fundamentalist crowd is now the equivalent of a religion which jealously guards what it considers the "truth" and ridicules those who question even the least bit of it.

There's nothing scientific about squelching legitimate questions about your pet theories under an avalanche of vitriol and personal invective.

[goldstategop]

You can take the premise of science to its ultimate conclusion and say that definitely there's no God. Well that's false. Materialist determinism was all the rage in the 19th Century since it was assumed science was a closed system, all the important questions had been answered and Nature was an elegant mode of self-contained perfection. Since that time, Kurt Godel showed there is no complete body of knowledge and Werner Heisenberg later demonstrated there are no certain outcomes. Both of those propositions demolished the view of science as a closed system and it doesn't lend itself to an exclusively materialist view of reality. As for Darwin's theory, a number of leading scientists who take it in the former sense of the expression I just mentioned, are atheists or strong agnostics. Then again their views about scientific investigation hasn't changed much in two centuries. That's to their credit if one believes science and religion are incompatible in the sense one or the other view of the great questions of life are incompatible, especially if one reads the Origin to postulate Darwin meant to address epistemological as well as methodological issues. In other words, Darwin had a view about the universe that pronounces on faith and not just on how to investigate natural processes. The only problem is Darwin doesn't say at any point in his work you can draw a wider inference on what true reality looks like as opposed to what can be observed in Nature. So what we really have here is the bias of the true Darwinian believers on display rather than just confining Darwin to the empirical limits of science. You can pass those limits as some of Darwin's advocates are wont to do but only in their minds can we say we can have either science or faith. For the rest of us, the alleged incompatibility is not so evident.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[JCEccles]

Judge Jones is a raving humanist bigot. Last week's decision was just one more stinking plank in the rotting edifice that is the humanist manifesto.

At the height of Stalin's and Mao's reigns of terror, the definition of science over one fourth of the world's landmass was a political matter. Judge Jones has taken over the throne of humanist bigotry vacated when the kommissars of science were deposed and sent into exile when the stupidity and hubris of their ex cathedra nonsense was insufficient to keep the castle of atheist arrogance standing on its foundations.

Jones should be awarded a medal of dishonor for gross stupidity and arrogance.

[VOA]

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[VadeRetro]

If ID is bogus because many of its theorists have religious beliefs to which the controversial critique of Darwinism lends support, then what should we say about Darwinism itself?

Faulty premise, probably because the author wanted a nice easy strawman to knock over. ID isn't bogus because it bolsters religious beliefs. It's bogus because it's nothing but a trojan horse for said beliefs. All of the so-called science behind it is wrong.

It is largely a grab bag of unconnected attacks on evolution. That's not very enlightening, especially when all of the attacks are based on bad reasoning, bad evidence, or both.

ID promises only that we will NEVER understand some things without invoking the actions of an invisible but all-powerful designer at unspecified times in some unknown number of acts of creation, which amounts to saying we will never understand them at all.

ID is not an explanation. It is an attack on non-ID explanations. All it will ever teach us is that we don't know as much as we thought we did so we should all just give up and start praying.

And people say it isn't science!

[Right Wing Professor]

In his highly regarded Darwin's Dangerous Idea, he tells why it might be necessary to confine conservative Christians in zoos.

This is just a damned lie, and Klinghoffer, if he has a conscience, should be ashamed of it.

I love how all these sanctimonious pro-religion types are the first to resort to libel.

[Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin]

It's just incredible to contemplate, "teachers" actually putting forth the idea that we all came from a rock or slime or some such sludgey thing. Darwin's baloney has been substantially disproven, however, "teachers" have yet to get the message.