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Where are the religious Left, the feminist critics of "male science," the Third World/indigenous foes of "alien western philosophy" corruting the savages, and the campus crusaders against "dead white European males?" They seem to have changed sides on this one or are sitting it out.

Just a reminder: Darwin works have always been exempt from the purges of the multiculturalists because he serves as the foundation of their whole worldview.

Oh, and, Dr. Myers, `od 'Avraham 'Avinu chay, and there is not a scientist or atheist living whose name will ever shine as brightly. Sorry.

1 posted on 12/21/2005 2:06:12 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator
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For your interest.


2 posted on 12/21/2005 2:07:29 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Qadonay HaShem dibber; mi lo' yinavei'? (The L-rd G-d has spoken; who will not prophesy?))
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Nor can fate and freewill coexist, but they do.


3 posted on 12/21/2005 2:12:15 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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Excellent post. This court case wasn't so much about science, as about competing religious viewpoints. This decision also came down to the musings of an activist judge.


4 posted on 12/21/2005 2:12:20 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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Does nobody see G_d in Darwin's work except me? Can't we just all get along?


7 posted on 12/21/2005 2:15:28 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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I would have to disagree. While the left may love Darwin because he supposedly spurns G_d, in reality Natural Selection is against most of their leftist tripe. Why should we have welfare or laws requiring "equal rights" when according to Natural selection its every man for himself. I should not be helping poor babies to survive if they do not carry my genes. Yet the left wants to make us support stupid people and those who make stupid choices. IMHO.
8 posted on 12/21/2005 2:16:32 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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In short, with apologies to Judge Jones, there is no coherent reconciliation between God and Darwin. Attempts to show how we can have both faith in a spiritual reality (religion) and faith in pure materialism (Darwin) always end up vacuuming the essential meaning out of either God or Darwin.

Only because the anti-science industry is determined to define study of God's creation a "religion" and are determined to make money off the false dichotomy. Christians in the sciences don't look at it that way.

10 posted on 12/21/2005 2:19:08 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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"In short, with apologies to Judge Jones, there is no coherent reconciliation between God and Darwin. Attempts to show how we can have both faith in a spiritual reality (religion) and faith in pure materialism (Darwin) always end up vacuuming the essential meaning out of either God or Darwin.

And this, I think, is why some Darwin advocates dislike religion. It's why they fight it with such passion: Because negating religion is the reason behind their belief system. To their credit, they recognize a truth that others prefer not to see. That is: One may choose Darwin or one may choose God."

I don't think this is true. Although "some" "Darwin advocates" are atheists, by no means all are.

I think the only generalization one can make in this area is that it is true that Darwinian evolution is not compatible with Biblical literalism. But many people who believe in God (including many Christians) are not Biblical literalists. Not being a Biblical literalist is hardly the same thing as "negating religion."

I went to Catholic schools though high school. In biology class we studied evolution. We discussed God's role as creator in philosophy and religious studies classes.

One of the principal scientific witnesses for the plaintiffs in the Dover trial, btw, was a practicing Catholic.


12 posted on 12/21/2005 2:28:42 PM PST by EdJay
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disparaging intelligent design as a religion-based and therefore false science

Blatant misrepresentation in the first sentence.

13 posted on 12/21/2005 2:29:47 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (I am a leaf on the wind)
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It`s JUDICIAL ACTIVISM ,

at it`s worst.

And the FR Evos Will defend it.


17 posted on 12/21/2005 3:16:51 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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Clinton Legacy of Judicial Appointees Lives on.
19 posted on 12/21/2005 3:18:42 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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Since recycling, resource conservation and other 'green' activities are tenents of the earth mother and wiccan 'religions', does this mean that these gov't mandated programs are in violation of the Constitution?


21 posted on 12/21/2005 3:26:08 PM PST by Casekirchen
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"But there is irony in the way the media generally follow Barbara Forrest's line in portraying ID as a 'Trojan Horse' for theism. It would be equally accurate to call Darwin a trojan horse for atheism."

How is Darwin a trojan horse for Atheism? Atheism is the belief in the absence of God. Evolution doesn't address how the laws of nature got the way they are. Maybe God did it or maybe he didn't. Evolution doesn't say.

ID'ers start with their literal religious conclusion and then use scientific sounding language to conjure up supporting evidence. That's religion in my book and doesn't belong in science class.
24 posted on 12/21/2005 3:29:17 PM PST by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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27 posted on 12/21/2005 3:36:10 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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From NR:

David Klinghoffer, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and a columnist for the Jewish Forward. His most recent book is Why the Jews Rejected Jesus: The Turning Point in Western History.

Discovery Institute...I'm shocked!

31 posted on 12/21/2005 3:44:11 PM PST by wireman
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"Repeatedly in this trial, plaintiffs' scientific experts testified that the theory of evolution represents good science, is overwhelmingly accepted by the scientific community, and that it in no way conflicts with, nor does it deny, the existence of a divine creator." -- Judge Jones

This guy is a freakin' braindead nut.

So let's see: if we take everything that exists, which we used to believe was created by God and as such was supposed to be evidence of God's existence, and then come up with a way to explain its existence 100% without reference to God, so that suddenly everything in the universe can be understood without the slightest attribution to God as its creator, this does not "in any way" diminish in our minds' the notion of God as its creator????????

Where the heck did this guy get his law degree? Some sort of mail-order Evolution U?

So we've got a creator who never created anything? Or maybe he creates things somewhere else, just not in our universe. Or maybe he creates them and destroys them again really quickly where no-one can see them. Or he creates things in a way is massively inefficient, morbid, and actually doesn't require his involvement at all, and then tells everyone to look at it as evidence of his existence an greatness?

I'm starting to think this entire ruling was posted by someone from scrappleface. If I was that dumb I'd shoot myself.

36 posted on 12/21/2005 4:02:31 PM PST by jbloedow
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Where are the religious Left, the feminist critics of "male science," the Third World/indigenous foes of "alien western philosophy" corruting the savages, and the campus crusaders against "dead white European males?" They seem to have changed sides on this one or are sitting it out.

My guess is that they are sitting it out. Especially the feministas, who probably dont like intelligent design any better than neo-Darwinism. Both are anathema to their fairy tale that sex roles are socially constructed.

47 posted on 12/21/2005 5:49:39 PM PST by freespirited
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Klinghoffer is profoundly dishonest. It is not simply a matter of some religious people happening to believe in ID (as some atheists happen to believe in Darwinian evolution) -- it is a matter of ID being constructed ad hoc as a form of sectarian religious belief with the serial numbers filed off.
53 posted on 12/21/2005 6:04:35 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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ID theorists are not willing to submit to the assumption that material stuff is the only reality. Darwinism takes the opposite view, materialism, which assumes there can never be a supernatural reality.

Nonsense. Darwinian evolution makes no assertion, positive or negative, about the possibility that there is a supernatural reality. It simply declines to rely on that notion (as it must, to remain within the purview of science).

By this silly line of reasoning, a policeman who gives you a ticket for driving down the left side of the road in Manchester, New Hampshire is denying the possibility that there is such a place as Manchester, England (where driving down the left side of the road is perfectly acceptable).

57 posted on 12/21/2005 6:13:57 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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Bring evolution down to a molecular level and it falls apart. Randomness. Exactly how do you get from A-1 to Z-2000 through random events? The downfall of Darwinism. Darwinist look at coincidental yet somewhat similar structures and draw the conclusion that A became Z. Phenotype trumps genotype in their world.


68 posted on 12/21/2005 6:51:01 PM PST by Doc Savage ("Guys, I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more COWBELL...Bruce Dickinson)
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Never mind that his view, in which God can be assumed not to operate in the natural world, makes Collins a funny kind of Christian.

Funny, but a whole load of Founding Fathers were exactly that kind of Christian (Deists), and they still had no trouble believing in God and the Natural Laws that make our system of government possible. The Either-Or logical fallacy is a lousy way to start an argument...

73 posted on 12/21/2005 7:14:18 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwæt! Lãr biþ mæst hord, soþlïce!)
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