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This is one of those stories that demonstrates how right has become wrong in this PC society. So sad.
1 posted on 12/21/2005 7:24:59 AM PST by piperpilot
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"No Islamic chaplain has been refused to pray in the name of Allah, as far as we know. Neither has a rabbi been rebuked for making references to Hanukkah, and no Catholic priest has been rebuked for referring to the Blessed Virgin Mary."

Since Catholics worship Jesus and place Mary below the Messiah, sounds like they are restricted from practicing their faith, too.
48 posted on 12/21/2005 8:28:20 AM PST by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours! (but not for DUmmies :-))
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Be careful not to jump on someone's bandwagon simply because they call themselves an "evangelical." I know many people on Klingenschmidt's old ship USS ANZIO. There is way more to the story than he is telling. He could not function well among the crew, which is vital if you are to be an effective chaplain. What this legal foundation and their supporters do not understand is that chaplains must wear two hats; a public one (retiremont and change of command cereomies) that must be non-sectarian. The other hat they wear is when they conduct their own worship services and bible studies--they are expected to represent their denominational background, whatever that may be.
We must also be willing to facilitate for faiths other than our own, i.e. training layleaders, getting the sailor in touch with a chaplain more consistent with their faith.


64 posted on 12/21/2005 9:29:49 AM PST by bethelgrad (for God, country, the Marine Corps, and now the Navy Chaplain Corps OOH RAH!)
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Just so everyone is clear....A chaplain may conduct his worhsip services in anyway consistent with his/her faith background. I do worship services every sunday on my ship and Jesus is very much part of what I do through and through. It's public functions that more tact is required (retiremont, change of command ceremonies and yes even funerals). This is made clear to us from the get go.


74 posted on 12/21/2005 9:42:29 AM PST by bethelgrad (for God, country, the Marine Corps, and now the Navy Chaplain Corps OOH RAH!)
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An awful lot of people died for these freedoms, must it be in vain?


76 posted on 12/21/2005 9:43:49 AM PST by JZelle
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Sad isn't the word.

Infuriating and enraging is the word.

I have no problem with Jewish clergymen praying in Hebrew, Christian clergymen using "Jesus", etc.

This stupid nonesense must stop and unless we rise up in joint outrage, it will continue to grow worse.

There are elements in our society which wish to erase our enttire cultural, social and historical tradition and they are activists in the name of political correctness.


79 posted on 12/21/2005 9:47:55 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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I think some distinctions need to be made.

When a chaplain is leading a service for those of his own faith, he should be able to pray in accordance with that faith. However, when a chaplain is saying a public prayer, for a mixed-faith group, things are different. The chaplain should respect the faiths of all those in his audience.

I'm not a chaplain, but I've been frequently asked to lead the invocation at our gun club's annual banquet (for all I know, maybe I'm the only one there who knows how to pray, or is willing to pray in public). Anyway, because the Club membership includes Catholics, Protestants and Jews, I always make my prayer non-denominational.

When I attended Squadron Officer School back in 1957, we had a lecture from the school chaplain. The lecture was about the chaplain's duties. This particular chaplain was a Protestant, but he pointed out that part of his duties were to see that a Mass was said for Catholics, which meant that the had to find a priest if no Catholic chaplain was available. The point is, a chaplain has two kinds of duties. One is to provide for the needs of those troops of his own faith. The other is to see that the needs of troops of other faiths are met, even though he cannot meet them himself. Therefore when he leads a public prayer as part of an official ceremony, his obligation is to respect the faiths of all those present. This can be satisfied only by a nondenominational prayer.

Granted, it might be difficult to find a nondenominational prayer that satisfies Wiccans or Satanists as well as the three most common religions in America, but I've never had to deal with that problem.

80 posted on 12/21/2005 9:48:37 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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Young Navy chaplain being mustered out against his wishes? I may be a cynic, but I wonder if this has more to it than his style of prayer.


83 posted on 12/21/2005 9:59:13 AM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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I can't imagine any Christian chaplains going along with this.
Just who are they supposed to pray too then? Without Jesus, a christian's faith is fruitless. They might as well just get rid of all the Chaplains. I wouldn't even believe this if JESUS hadn't warned us about it in the bible.
Men will fall from faith and become lovers of themselves - so sad to see it happen right before my very eyes.


84 posted on 12/21/2005 10:00:24 AM PST by derllak
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I am very skeptical regarding the veracity of this man's accusations.


101 posted on 12/22/2005 5:23:48 AM PST by verity (The MSM is a National disgrace.)
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...who will be holding 6 p.m. prayer vigils daily in Lafayette Park.
 

And I'll bet the MSM will devote as much attention to this as they did to Cindy Sheehan's "vigils'...

 

102 posted on 12/22/2005 5:27:29 AM PST by Fintan (See??? Sometimes I do read the articles.)
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119 posted on 12/24/2005 8:00:34 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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Passing it on...


120 posted on 12/24/2005 8:17:35 PM PST by davidosborne (JUST ME .....)
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BTTT


121 posted on 12/24/2005 8:33:31 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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About 80 percent of U.S. troops are Christian,

There's the solution, right there; Discharge these troops and refuse to induct any more Christians. This would then alleviate any need for Christian Chaplins.(Sarcasm off)

124 posted on 12/24/2005 10:45:05 PM PST by scouse
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**Military chaplains told to shy from Jesus**

Excuse me, this is discrimination!


125 posted on 12/25/2005 12:34:20 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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