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This is one of those stories that demonstrates how right has become wrong in this PC society. So sad.
1 posted on 12/21/2005 7:24:59 AM PST by piperpilot
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"The hunger strike is intended to persuade President Bush to issue an executive order allowing military chaplains to pray according to their individual faith traditions."

Why would he demand approval by the state? After all, his faith tells him what he must do....and he answers not to any earthly authority on such a matter as this.

2 posted on 12/21/2005 7:28:45 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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Military chaplains told to shy from Jesus

Yeah, it's better they keep their sermons limited to quantum physics.

WTF is wrong with this country?

3 posted on 12/21/2005 7:29:01 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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Hmm. Seems I have heard something similar before. Oh yeah.

"And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice."

4 posted on 12/21/2005 7:29:04 AM PST by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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The new tactic being taken is freedom of speech. Freedom of religion wasn't working too well. Maybe they'll take that tact.

You know, it's hard to believe this is happening in America. Even in communist China and Russia they are beginning to have MORE religious freedom than the U.S.. It's shocking and dare I say, another "sign of the times"? Truly, even an atheist or an agnostic can see SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG!


5 posted on 12/21/2005 7:30:53 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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Aint this some Bullshit?

When a Chaplain has to avoid using the name of Jesus Christ something is damned wrong with this world.

Now I know I am a fallen Christian, but I do pray, and when I do it is to God, Jesus Christ ,and the Holy Spirt,: One Trinity. They cannot be separated.

For a Christian Chaplain to be told he cannot pray to Christ is just plain horse crap.Where the hell do assholes who come up with this crap think the name Christian came from?


6 posted on 12/21/2005 7:31:57 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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This post reminded me of a favorite old hymn, "Stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the cross"
It is sad.
10 posted on 12/21/2005 7:39:30 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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I'll bet that Muslim chaplins have no problem with praying in Allahs name.


11 posted on 12/21/2005 7:40:46 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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from WND yesterday:

The American Center for Law and Justice sponsored an online petition drive that urges President Bush to restore the right of Christian chaplains to pray "according to their faith" – for example, using Jesus' name in a prayer.

12 posted on 12/21/2005 7:42:12 AM PST by lunarbicep (There is something about a closet that makes a skeleton terribly restless.)
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This is one of those stories that demonstrates how right has become wrong in this PC society. So sad.

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter
Isaiah 5:20

14 posted on 12/21/2005 7:44:49 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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The vermin who are pushing these policies in the military need to be identified and eradicated from their positions.


15 posted on 12/21/2005 7:44:53 AM PST by isrul
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Matt.10:33

[33] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Mark.8:38

[38] Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Luke.9:25

[26] For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Rom.1:16

[16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom.9:33

[33] As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Rom.10:11

[11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

2Tim.1:8

[8] Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

1Pet.4:16

[16] Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

1John.2:28

[28] And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

I think it may be very possible that He is coming SOON!

I pray Chritsian clergy remain unashamed and do not deny Him.

Isn't interesting how His name, Jesus threatens them so that they do not want it uttered. The day will come when EVERY kneww WILL bow and recognize Him.

Rom. 14:11

[11] For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Phil.2:10

[10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Never for a nano second believe I am worthy of His love. Over the years, though, I've been awed by Him and eternally grateful fo Him. He's REAL!



16 posted on 12/21/2005 7:45:08 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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Muslim, Jewish and Roman Catholic chaplains are likewise told not to pray in the name of Allah, in Hebrew or in the name of the Trinity, he added.

Hmm, what happened to the vaunted "seperation of church and state" the Left loves so much? I assume the ACLU will sue any day now to keep the government from telling chaplains how to pray.

19 posted on 12/21/2005 7:47:44 AM PST by montag813
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And while you are at it, can you kinda play down that whole God thing?


24 posted on 12/21/2005 7:53:06 AM PST by Casloy
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Maybe Christians should let our "leaders" know that they will no longer enlist in the service. That will change their minds in a hurry.


30 posted on 12/21/2005 8:10:59 AM PST by bella1
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I think I'll go ask a chaplain. There are a few around here.


32 posted on 12/21/2005 8:12:38 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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I find this situation utterly disgraceful. All civilian & mililitary leadership involved in this policy should be completely ashamed.


35 posted on 12/21/2005 8:17:45 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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This is one of those stories that demonstrates how right has become wrong in this PC society. So sad.

This is one of those stories where I think there's probably a lot more to the story. Sorry, but these "I'm being persecuted" stories never seem to pan out the way they're originally reported.

Here's what makes me wonder:

He says he got in hot water during the summer of 2004 while aboard the USS Anzio for preaching an evangelistic sermon at the funeral of a Catholic sailor in a base chapel. The lieutenant said he was reprimanded by two senior chaplains and, in March, sent ashore to Norfolk.

What, precisely, did he say in his sermon? Perhaps the senior chaplains had a legitimate complaint -- perhaps Lt. Klingenschmitt was bashing Catholics, for example (something that is not unheard-of among ardent evangelical protestants) -- in which case he deserved to be reprimanded.

I've learned to distrust stories like this. I suspect that Lt. Klingenschmitt is not as innocent as he makes himself out to be.

36 posted on 12/21/2005 8:18:30 AM PST by r9etb
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Well, there goes our military.


40 posted on 12/21/2005 8:21:07 AM PST by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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Sending our sons and daughters into battle without allowing them to call upon the name of their Savior and worship freely
is patently wrong...

To secure these kinds of freedom for those oppressed and to maintain these kinds of freedom right here at home...

Rummie...shape these people up ASAP

imo


44 posted on 12/21/2005 8:24:28 AM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit my sister-we knew just what to do- gather large rocks & squash her-Mullet Ho'mar)
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What does the Sec of Def have to say about this?


47 posted on 12/21/2005 8:27:38 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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