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"Flat Earth" concept upheld (Dover court ruling)
12/21/05 | Self

Posted on 12/21/2005 5:17:48 AM PST by Nextrush

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To: xzins
The judge must have decided otherwise, or the guy would be indicted, wouldn't he?

Just because you're guilty doesn't mean you'll get charged. I believe the judge also mentioned the lies in his ruling.

21 posted on 12/21/2005 6:55:33 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Nextrush

My sister was once bitten by a moose.


22 posted on 12/21/2005 6:56:39 AM PST by rattrap
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To: weegee
How did God evolve into being?

Great question.
23 posted on 12/21/2005 6:59:29 AM PST by BikerNYC (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: MindBender26

Amen.


24 posted on 12/21/2005 7:00:42 AM PST by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: cynicom

Legal scholars on the left and right agree that Roe v. Wade was a bad decision (not with regards to abortion but with regards to how it was argued).

Most recently the Supreme Court reversed their decision on sodomy laws (but did not throw out all sex laws between consenting adults cavorting in private).

The court is NOT infalible. Their legal decisions can set precedent but they can be overturned.

I agree with your analogy comparing abortion to slavery. Doris Kerns Goodwin was on Charlie Rose (I know, double barf) which I saw when I left PBS Monday night. She was talking about a book she wrote about A. Lincoln.

She got to discussing the temperance movement and Lincon's explanation to his supporters that it would never work in practice to ban alcohol. She likened this to abortion.

She missed the forest for the trees. SOME people wanted to keep their slaves too. BUT people have worth and who makes the decision as to who "counts" as a person and who doesn't? As with the slaves, so goes the decision on little babies.

Children have rights. The left lies when they tell us that women have a choice in saying whether their baby should live or die (because she has too many of them or doesn't like the daddy or would be embarassed if it "showed" or doesn't like the sex of the child...). The mother's choice came when she decided to have coital sex with that man. The baby shouldn't earn a death sentence (to the tune of 45 MILLION murdered as opposed to THOUSANDS executed on death row after countless appeals) because mom is flakey.

Alternate methods of "birth control" are too widely available (in pill, patch, sponge, condom, and surgical sterilization) for abortion to be used as a means of birth control.


25 posted on 12/21/2005 7:00:49 AM PST by weegee (Christmas - the holiday that dare not speak its name.)
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To: Nextrush

Hard to get worked up over the I.D. "battle". Our kids would benefit as much from having Astrology taught in science class. I believe in God but Creationism is not science.


26 posted on 12/21/2005 7:12:25 AM PST by montag813
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To: MindBender26

I did not deny the importance of telling the truth. Maybe I would have done it differently but Jesus had to deal with
legalistic people who had rules that defied the reality of the situations people found themselves in. Both religious and secular people can become rule oriented humanists that let rules blind them to things that are bad and ugly.


27 posted on 12/21/2005 7:27:11 AM PST by Nextrush (Religious and secular legalists are ultimately all humanists)
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To: dmz

I don't know if what you are saying is true but I think that the lawyers must have gotten to the board members with the realization that the original intent ("putting God in school" or some such thing) wasn't a winning case. I suspect the now former board members changed their testimony to reflect that which was descirbed as "misleading" by Judge Jones.


28 posted on 12/21/2005 7:35:15 AM PST by Nextrush (Religious and secular legalists are ultimately all humanists)
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To: dmz

I don't know if what you are saying is true but I think that the lawyers must have gotten to the board members with the realization that the original intent ("putting God in school" or some such thing) wasn't a winning case. I suspect the now former board members changed their testimony to reflect that which was described as "misleading" by Judge Jones.


29 posted on 12/21/2005 7:35:49 AM PST by Nextrush (Religious and secular legalists are ultimately all humanists)
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To: Nextrush

The Republican's have had their share of poor appointments with Justice Suitor as an example. And don't forget, it took Republican conformation votes to appoint Ginsberg.


30 posted on 12/21/2005 7:44:00 AM PST by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: Nextrush

Learn to lose with class.


31 posted on 12/21/2005 7:58:15 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Nextrush

Jones tried to shield himself by writing in his opinion that this decision was not "judicial activism." But saying a duck isn't a duck, doesn't make a duck something other than it is. This was a case of judicial activism, and Jones is precisely the kind of "judge" who shouldn't be on the bench.


32 posted on 12/21/2005 8:18:42 AM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: GSlob

I'm not really trying to be a sore loser, just offering up some opinion that is truth in the face of nonsense.


33 posted on 12/21/2005 8:37:32 AM PST by Nextrush (Religious and secular legalists are ultimately all humanists)
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To: Nextrush

The judge's decision has been reached. If you do not like it - there are procedures for appealing it. If you will not or cannot appeal it - then accept it. Everything else shows the lack of class.


34 posted on 12/21/2005 9:00:13 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Nextrush
It seems appropriate to me that in fighting the ACLU in this culture war case, deception is not sin.

You've sold your soul, period.

35 posted on 12/21/2005 9:44:04 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Nextrush
> "I did not deny the importance of telling the truth."

Ah... actually, it seems that you do.

>It seems appropriate to me that in fighting the ACLU in this culture war case, deception is not sin. (Your words, not mine)

>"Maybe I would have done it differently but Jesus had to deal with legalistic people who had rules that defied the reality of the situations people found themselves in. Both religious and secular people can become rule oriented humanists that let rules blind them to things that are bad and ugly."

The only Christians I hear talking about problems with "rule oriented legalism" are those who get caught breaking the rules, like all those TV preachers who get caught dipping into the cash drawer.

P.S., Regarding rules, Moses did not give us the "Ten Guidelines" or "Ten Suggestions."
36 posted on 12/21/2005 10:02:54 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: My2Cents

Jones was described in the York Daily Record as a protege of
Tom Ridge ("moderate" Republican who raised the gas tax and signed off on automatic pay raises for legislators as Governor in PA) who the President considers a friend and of course appointed him to the Homeland Security cabinet post.


37 posted on 12/23/2005 10:08:55 PM PST by Nextrush (Religious and secular legalists are ultimately all humanists)
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To: GSlob

I can't appeal it. That's up to the school board and the new liberal one won't.


38 posted on 12/23/2005 10:10:23 PM PST by Nextrush (Religious and secular legalists are ultimately all humanists)
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To: MindBender26

The big church pastors do but not just TV types, the Rick Warren types do. But forget about them, Jesus was about our hearts, not legalistic rules. His enemies constantly attacked him with legal questions like the ones you proudly proclaim. Jesus didn't like the lynch mob mentality of our local newspapers that speculated and pushed perjury charges after Judge Jones' decision this week. The woman at the well story stands out to me.


39 posted on 12/23/2005 10:16:52 PM PST by Nextrush (Religious and secular legalists are ultimately all humanists)
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To: Nextrush

Well, then accept it as a good sport.


40 posted on 12/23/2005 10:18:10 PM PST by GSlob
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