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Mexico Promises to Block Border Wall Plan
AP ^ | Dec 20 05 | Victor Bermudez

Posted on 12/20/2005 5:33:14 PM PST by Icelander

MEXICO CITY - The Mexican government, angered by a U.S. proposal to extend a wall along the border to keep out migrants, pledged Tuesday to block the plan and organize an international campaign against it. Facing a growing tide of anti-immigrant sentiment north of the border, the Mexican government has taken out ads urging Mexican workers to denounce rights violations in the United States. It also is hiring an American public relations firm to improve its image and counter growing U.S. concerns about immigration.

Mexican President Vicente Fox denounced the U.S. measures, passed by the House of Representatives on Friday, as "shameful" and his foreign secretary, Luis Ernesto Derbez, echoed his complaints on Tuesday.

"Mexico is not going to bear, it is not going to permit, and it will not allow a stupid thing like this wall," Derbez said.

"What has to be done is to raise a storm of criticism, as is already happening, against this," he said, promising to turn the international community against the plan.

Some stretches of the U.S.-Mexico border are already marked by fences, but in some heavily-trafficked sections walls have already been erected by the United States, often using 10-foot-high sections of military surplus steel. Those sections, which typically run several miles, can be found in southern Arizona and California.

It's hard to underestimate the ill-feeling the proposal has generated in Mexico, where editorial pages are dominated by cartoons of Uncle Sam putting up walls bearing anti-Mexican messages.

Many Mexicans, especially those who have spent time working in the U.S., feel the proposal is a slap in the face to those who work hard and contribute to the U.S. economy.

Fernando Robledo, 42, of the western state of Zacatecas, says the proposals could stem migration and disrupt families by breaking cross- border ties.

"When people heard this, it worried everybody, because this will affect everybody in some way, and their families," Robledo said. "They were incredulous. How could they do this, propose something like this?"

Robledo, whose son and mother are U.S. citizens, predicted the measure "would unleash conflict within the United States" as small businesses fail for lack of workers.

He said many Mexicans felt betrayed by the anti-immigrant sentiment.

"We learned to believe in the United States. We have a binational life," he said of Zacatecas, a state that has been sending migrants north for more than a century. "It isn't just a feeling of rejection. It's against what we see as part of our life, our culture, our territory."

The government is scrambling to fight on two fronts. On Monday, it announced it had hired Allyn & Company, a Dallas-based public relations company to help improve Mexico's image and stem the immigration backlash.

"If people in the U.S. and Canada had an accurate view of the success of democracy, political stability and economic prosperity in Mexico, it would improve their views on specific bilateral issues like immigration and border security," Rob Allyn, president of the PR firm, told The Associated Press Tuesday.

Jose Luis Soberanes, head of the government's National Human Rights Commission, suggested Mexico go further.

"I would expect more energetic reactions from our authorities," Soberanes told local media. "It's preferable to have a more demanding government, more confrontation with the United States."

Mexico has also said it is recruiting U.S. church, community and business groups to oppose the proposal.

And the government has stepped up its defense of migrants, airing a series of radio spots here aimed at migrants returning home for the holidays.

"Had a labor accident in the United States? You have rights ... Call," reads the ad, sponsored by Mexico's Foreign Relations Department, which has helped migrants bring compensation suits in the United States.

The sense of dread connected with the measures is hardly restricted to Mexico. Immigrant advocacy and aid groups in the United States are worried about provisions of the House bill that upgrade unlawful presence in the United States from a civil offense to a felony.

"It would have a horrific impact on immigrants right organizing and immigrant communities" in the United States, said Jennifer Allen of the Tucson, Ariz.-based Red de Accion Fronteriza.

The mistaken belief that the proposals are a done deal _ they must still be submitted to the Senate _ have caused "just complete fear and shock" among some activists and immigrants, Allen said.

The House bill, passed on a 239-182 vote, includes a proposal to build 700 miles of additional fence through parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. It would also enlist military and local law enforcement to help stop illegal entrants and require employers to verify the legal status of their workers.

Mexicans are outraged by the proposed measures, especially the extension of the border wall, which many liken to the Berlin Wall. Some are urging their government to fight it fiercely.

"Our president should oppose that wall and make them stop it, at all costs," said Martin Vazquez, 26, at the Mexico City airport as he returned from his job as a hotel worker in Las Vegas. "More than just insulting, it's terrible."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; borders; bush; homelandsecurity; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; schadenfraude; wall
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To: linear
It's hard to underestimate the ill-feeling the proposal has generated in Mexico

It's too bad Victor couldn't also get out and get a feel for how Americans feel about Mexico making demands and threats against the US.

81 posted on 12/20/2005 6:46:04 PM PST by RJL
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To: Rakkasan1
time to watch Jorge dance for Vincente

That'll be a trick. I've never seen anyone dance while on their knees.
82 posted on 12/20/2005 6:52:06 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Whats with the Marquis of Queensbury Rules bullsh*t, we fight for our very survival! Fight Dirty!)
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To: Icelander

Hey V. Fox, you talking to me? I said, you talking to me?

You had better quit while your a head cuz a lot of good ole boys I know have had about enough of all the pussy foot'n around by our politicians and the likes of you!


83 posted on 12/20/2005 7:01:18 PM PST by mr_hammer (They have eyes, but do not see . . .)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


84 posted on 12/20/2005 7:01:39 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: raybbr

What a bunch of crap.


85 posted on 12/20/2005 7:05:14 PM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: jwh_Denver

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Since Mexico is for this invasion of the United States it is an act of war which should be reponded to in kind.
<<

We annexed Puerto Rico, which was pointless. Why do we not just declare manifest destiny and assume control of Mexico? If they do not wish to act as a sovereign state, why not let us flush their corrupt system?


86 posted on 12/20/2005 7:05:38 PM PST by noblejones (Ben Stein for President, 2008.)
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To: P-40
Perhaps they will block our wall with a wall of their own?

This is all too funny.

87 posted on 12/20/2005 7:07:25 PM PST by Jorge (Q)
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To: Icelander
"It's hard to underestimate the ill-feeling the proposal has generated in Mexico,..."

It's equally hard to underestimate the intelligence of this article's writer.

88 posted on 12/20/2005 7:10:26 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Icelander

Shoot, let's just halt all foreign aid until they get serious about keeping their population at home. (we do give them foreign aid, don't we?)I am SO tired of them meddling in our politics.
susie


89 posted on 12/20/2005 7:12:06 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: Icelander
It isn't just a feeling of rejection. It's against what we see as part of our life, our culture, our territory."

Ah, I see.
90 posted on 12/20/2005 7:19:04 PM PST by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

After spending several years starting oil exploration crews for Pemex, I think I have The reason Mexico has become so bad.

I like the Mexican people in the fly over parts of Mexico. The mid level and workers of Pemex are good. It is the government and the high up in Pemex that are the vultures and looters. The peso was about 8 cents (12.5 to a dollar). When Pemex found the sito grande, a very large oil pool that covers parts of the states of Chiapas and Tabasco also a long ways into the Gulf of Mexico.

Pemex borrowed billions to produce this great oil find. The looters (government) stole most of the money and what they did buy was junk oil rigs and drill pipe, etc. 1,000 pesos which was worth about $80 now will not buy a coke. This was due to the looters stealing billions from the Mexican people.

Instead of overthrowing the looters the Mexican people had an out, they had no weapons and they could cross into America and have a much safer life. This hurts both Mexico and America as Mexico lost some of it's hardest workers. The gangbangers also came over from Mexico as they could rape and pillage at will.

The government of Mexico is propped up by the billions sent back by the illegals and by our government having borders that are too open.

The only chance I see to help America and Mexico is to seal the border, deport the people who are not here legaly. We also need to arm the Mexican people so they can have a chance against the looters with their armies.


91 posted on 12/20/2005 7:29:28 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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To: visualops

"our culture"

More easily defined as mold and dry rot!


92 posted on 12/20/2005 7:32:12 PM PST by dalereed
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To: visualops

"Our president should oppose that wall and make them stop it, at all costs," said Martin Vazquez, 26, at the Mexico City airport as he returned from his job as a hotel worker in Las Vegas. "More than just insulting, it's terrible."


Yes, send your army of viscously trained attack- Chihuahuas! That's just more meat for Taco Bell.


93 posted on 12/20/2005 7:34:06 PM PST by confederate_infidel (Tunafish: tastes like Santa's reindeer.)
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To: P-40
"Perhaps they will block our wall with a wall of their own?"

Now that is a funny, funny thought. Good stuff.

Trying to picture it.

94 posted on 12/20/2005 7:35:25 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: linear
Heaven forbid we act as a sovereign nation by protecting our borders.

Well, there is the little problem of Condi and others criticizing Israel for doing the very same. Our hypocrisy is going to come home to roost.

95 posted on 12/20/2005 7:38:52 PM PST by montag813
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To: noblejones
Mexico City built a wall to keep the US Army out. It didn't work !

Captain Robert E Lee, Lieutenant Ulysses Grant and many others who would fight against each other 15 years in the Civil War were all on the same side for the Mexican War, part of Manifest Destiny.

Here's an article on it but there are many books on the subject that are far more in depth. It's a Great Story

http://www.historyguy.com/Mexican-American_War.html
96 posted on 12/20/2005 7:45:24 PM PST by jcon40
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To: Icelander
Robledo, whose son and mother are U.S. citizens, predicted the measure "would unleash conflict within the United States"

The United States has ways to deal with insurrection and terrorists.

"Our president should oppose that wall and make them stop it, at all costs,"

If he does, it'll be the first time Bush has found a pen that'll write "VETO". Or is he speaking of Fox?

97 posted on 12/20/2005 7:46:51 PM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: linear
Heaven forbid we act as a sovereign nation by protecting our borders.

They don't think that part of the United States belongs to the US of A.

"It isn't just a feeling of rejection. It's against what we see as part of our life, our culture, our territory."

98 posted on 12/20/2005 7:53:02 PM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Icelander; Stellar Dendrite; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; moehoward; ...
"We learned to believe in the United States. We have a binational life," he said of Zacatecas, a state that has been sending migrants north for more than a century. "It isn't just a feeling of rejection. It's against what we see as part of our life, our culture, our territory."

*PING*!

Wow, so Aztlan is NOT just a "MexiCali" creation...these PARASITES think America is THEIRS!

Build it now...build it proud...build it high...build it long...keep ILLEGALS OUT!

And if Mexico wants to push the issue...what is the Mexican word for "Arclight"?

99 posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:16 PM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: Icelander

What about spending this money to improve the standard of living in Mexico! Problem, as I see it, is Fox thinks this is their country and we are intruders and illegally keeping the true citizens out.


100 posted on 12/20/2005 7:55:58 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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