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Boston gun charge called ‘urban myth’
Portsmouth Herald ^ | 12-20-2005 | NA

Posted on 12/20/2005 10:43:26 AM PST by neverdem

Associated Press

CONCORD - The U.S. attorney for New Hampshire is firing back against charges that lax gun-control laws in northern New England are partly responsible for an increase in gun crimes in Boston. U.S. Attorney Thomas Colantuono told Foster’s Sunday Citizen that’s an "urban myth" that doesn’t stand up to the facts.

Data collected by the federa* Project Safe Neighborhoods" show that most of the guns used in Massachusetts crimes come from within that state, Colantuono said. The data also show that fewer than 10 percent of the guns used in Massachusetts crimes come from New Hampshire; instead, Georgia is the top source of out-of-state guns.

Also, many of the guns traced back to New Hampshire were sold several years ago, belying Boston officials’ claims that New Hampshire guns are contributing to a recent surge in shootings and other gun crimes, he said.

Boston officials recently reported that the number of guns they had seized was up 34 percent, and the number of gun-related arrests increased 39 percent through early November compared to the same period a year earlier.

A Boston police spokesman, Sgt. Thomas Sexton, said stricter gun laws in northern New England would help solve the problem. Massachusetts requires residents to pay $100 for a state permit when buying any gun; New Hampshire, Maine and Vermont do not require state permits.

While some guns used in Massachusetts crimes still come from the South and the West Coast, city police are finding more guns "coming from a lot closer to home," Sexton said.

The Rev. Bruce Wall, who lives in Boston and owns a summer home in New Hampshire, said Boston police told him and other religious leaders this summer of a New Hampshire-to-Boston gun corridor.

Wall said he discussed the issue recently with New Hampton police Chief Nathaniel Sawyer, president of the state’s Association of Chiefs of Police, and hopes to meet with the full association and state legislators next month to ask for stricter gun control laws.

Sam Cohen, a director of Gun Owners of New Hampshire, the state chapter of the National Rifle Association, said New Hampshire’s laws are strict enough already. Gun dealers must follow the gun laws of a buyer’s home state, and dealers at both gun stores and gun shows must perform background checks on their customers, he said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Georgia; US: Massachusetts; US: New Hampshire
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1 posted on 12/20/2005 10:43:27 AM PST by neverdem
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To: archy
BANG!
2 posted on 12/20/2005 10:44:45 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Hey! Newsflash! It's not the guns dumba$$, It's the criminals! Freakin' liberals piss me off.


3 posted on 12/20/2005 10:48:20 AM PST by paulcissa (Only YOU can prevent liberalism.)
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To: neverdem
A Boston police spokesman, Sgt. Thomas Sexton, said stricter gun laws in northern New England would help solve the problem.

Yeah right. Hey sarge you enforce laws not make them you idiot.

4 posted on 12/20/2005 10:52:24 AM PST by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: neverdem

"Massachusetts requires residents to pay $100 for a state permit when buying any gun.."

Um, sort of. You are expected to already have the permit when you want to purchase a gun.

Aside from application fees, you also have to pay for weapon training through an approved program or instructor. Cost me...I believe $60. Well, $120 for myself and Misses Gefreiter.



5 posted on 12/20/2005 10:53:34 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: paulcissa
Liberal is too kind of word. Kind of reminds one of the kindly old fuzzy headed professor only out for your own good.

These people are Bolsheviks...communists...un-american demigods out to destroy the nation...
6 posted on 12/20/2005 10:54:28 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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To: paulcissa

The idiot MA Attorney General Tom Riley (who is running for governor and wants in-state tuition for illegals) said the same thing on the radio a week or so ago. Basically that guns could be purchased in bulk quantities in NH and brought over the line into MA.


7 posted on 12/20/2005 10:54:45 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Gefreiter

Do they make you buy a separate permit for each gun you purchase, or does one permit cover them all? How hard is it to get a Mass. permit?


8 posted on 12/20/2005 10:56:08 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: neverdem

If everyone owned a gun and everyone was lawful, there would be no gun crime. Am I missing something?


9 posted on 12/20/2005 10:57:07 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: neverdem

So if guns are easier to acquire in the surrounding states, why aren't their crime stats worse than Massachusets?

anyone?

hello?

crickets


10 posted on 12/20/2005 11:03:52 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: paulcissa

Liberals only defend the Constitution when its something they approve (like the "right" of a womens privacy to kill an unborn infant). The loss of private property rights didn't faze them and the words, "shall not be infringed" when applied to keeping and bearing arms doesn't register either.


11 posted on 12/20/2005 11:04:26 AM PST by tonysamm
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To: NewHampshireDuo

Riley is an ass-------I wouldn't vote for him if he was the only one running.




12 posted on 12/20/2005 11:11:13 AM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: neverdem
Most gun crimes come form criminals. Most law abiding gun owners protect themselves from crime. Most anti gun wackos side with criminals and against law abiding people!
13 posted on 12/20/2005 11:14:49 AM PST by mountainlyons (Merry CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!)
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To: TC Rider
"So if guns are easier to acquire in the surrounding states, why aren't their crime stats worse than Massachusets?"

Now stop that, you're using logic and that's not fair to the lefties. Play nice or else they will stop you from entering the People's Republic of Taxachussetts and you won't get to go to Ted and John's wine and brie party in honor of Barney Frank's lover.

14 posted on 12/20/2005 11:17:14 AM PST by marlon
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To: CFC__VRWC

Depends on the town that you live in. The cheif of police can shut you off for no reason. In Salem a pistol permit is very difficult to get. My town is a bit easier.
Some Chiefs got together and said they would just say no to everyone.


15 posted on 12/20/2005 11:20:10 AM PST by Holicheese (Would you like a beer? No thanks, I will have a bud light.)
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To: CFC__VRWC

One permit is all you need, if you get the right one. With License to Carry, Class A, High Capacity, you can buy handguns and longarms with it, and carry a handgun on your person in accordance with applicable laws and restrictions.

How hard is it to get? Well...

You have to have your ducks in a row before you even apply. It is now mandated, as I wrote, that you have certification of training by a State Police-approved instructor or program. I got off easy; people who go to S&W for example might pay $300.

So, once you've done it and have the certificate, you bebop down to your local PD to fill out the actual application. And write another check. Somewhere in the application you're supposed to write what license you're applying for. MA has several different "levels" of carry permit. What you're after is Class A, High Capacity, issued for "all lawful purposes". If you don't explicitly state that, you probably won't get it, and be stuck with a "sport only" (or whatever it's called) license, good only for the range.

Right, so then your app, prints, copies of your training certs and whatnot are all sent to Boston. If you've ever been treated for alcholism, drug dependency, beating your wife, or assault you're wasting everyone's time applying at all.

After a couple weeks/months, you're approved or denied. It all depends on where you live. The Chief of Police in your town is the issuing authority. Even if your app comes back squeaky clean from Boston, the Chief is under no obligation to grant you "all lawful purposes".

As a rule of thumb, the further west you go, the easier it is to get the good license. Cities are not issuing many of them anymore, if at all. I used to live in a rural town in western MA, near the CT border, and got it in about 2 weeks, no questions asked, and for my wife too, who is not even a citizen.

Let me add that the gun laws in MA are opaque, and it's very easy to lose your permit for nonsense, ie, you're looking at something in a store, crouched, you stand up, your shirt/jacket hangs on your holster for a second, someone sees it, flips, and calls 911. You can get in a heap of trouble that way depending on the local PD. In MA, concealed means *concealed*.

And don't get me started on the procedures if you change your address.

G


16 posted on 12/20/2005 11:21:29 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: TC Rider

It is not polite top ask obvious questions. Now sit down!


17 posted on 12/20/2005 11:21:59 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: marlon
haha I hadn't scrolled down far eough to read your post yet and I chewed TC Rider out for the same thing. (Poor fella is going to think we are ganging up on him. ) Maybe he'll behave now.
18 posted on 12/20/2005 11:25:05 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: neverdem

There's fine money to be made in running guns into Massachussetts from freer places like North Korea and Cuba.


19 posted on 12/20/2005 11:29:15 AM PST by PeterFinn (Anita Bryant was right!)
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To: mountainlyons
Most gun crimes come form criminals. Most law abiding gun owners protect themselves from crime. Most anti gun wackos side with criminals and against law abiding people!



This pic ring a bell anyone?? Liberals love to side with criminals.

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20 posted on 12/20/2005 11:46:46 AM PST by proud_yank ("The government dole will rot your soul" --Stan Rogers, 'The Idiot')
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