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Bill Would Allow Arrests For No Reason In Public Place (Ohio "Patriot" Act
NewsNet5 ^ | December 20, 2005 | Newsnet 5 (Cleveland)

Posted on 12/20/2005 3:15:35 AM PST by E Rocc

Bill Would Allow Arrests For No Reason In Public Place

Citizens Would Also Have To Show ID

UPDATED: 7:22 pm EST December 19, 2005

CLEVELAND -- A bill on Gov. Bob Taft's desk right now is drawing a lot of criticism, NewsChannel5 reported.

One state representative said it resembles Gestapo-style tactics of government, and there could be changes coming on the streets of Ohio's small towns and big cities.

The Ohio Patriot Act has made it to the Taft's desk, and with the stroke of a pen, it would most likely become the toughest terrorism bill in the country. The lengthy piece of legislation would let police arrest people in public places who will not give their names, address and birth dates, even if they are not doing anything wrong.

WEWS reported it would also pave the way for everyone entering critical transportation sites such as, train stations, airports and bus stations to show ID.

"It brings us frighteningly close to a show me your papers society," said Carrie Davis of the ACLU, which opposes the Ohio Patriot Act.

There are many others who oppose the bill as well.

"The variety of people who opposed to this is not just a group of the usual suspects. We have people far right to the left opposing the bill who think it is a bad idea," said Al McGinty, NewsChannel5’s terrorism expert.

McGinty said he isn't sure the law would do what it's intended to do.

"I think anything we do to enhance security and give power to protect the public to police officers is a good idea," he said. "It is a good law in the wrong direction."

Gov. Bob Taft will make the ultimate decision on whether to sign the bill.

WEWS was told that Taft is expected to sign the bill into law, but legal experts expect that it will be challenged in courts.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Ohio; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arrests; id; ohio; papersplease; policestate; totalitarian; wot
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To: E Rocc
Seems natural that a law such as this would be introduced first in Ohio.

Of the several states I have lived any significant time in, from my own perspective Ohio had the most "Big Brotherly", anti-individual, and pro-government bureacracy feel to it when compared to either Missouri, Kansas, North Carolina, Arizona, Texas or Connecticut. Can't speak of any other states because I haven't lived in others.

One of those hard to explain, but odd feelings anytime I had to any interaction with the state or local officials.

41 posted on 12/20/2005 8:24:34 PM PST by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: Lloyd227

Things like this make me glad to have moved out of Ohio.


42 posted on 12/20/2005 8:25:54 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: darkangel82
"Things like this make me glad to have moved out of Ohio"

Amen

So did the Ohio bureacracy give you that same creepy feel that I was trying to describe in my post above?

43 posted on 12/20/2005 8:29:07 PM PST by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: Lloyd227

Yes, it did. NE Ohio in particular is full of corruption.


44 posted on 12/20/2005 8:30:44 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: darkangel82
My time there was back in the mid 80s in the Toledo to Sandusky area (Worked on the Davis-Bessie Nuclear Power Plant).

Cheers,
Lloyd

45 posted on 12/20/2005 8:37:19 PM PST by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: Lloyd227

I lived there for 18 years, moved out in 2000 and have no current plans to return.


46 posted on 12/20/2005 8:38:35 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: E Rocc

What are you afraid of? Do you have something to hide? Don't you want the government to keep you safe???!!??

Are you a RINO?

sarcasm...in case you didn't get it


47 posted on 12/20/2005 8:39:57 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: metesky

And if you are taking a walk, and don't have ID on you, are you screwed?


48 posted on 12/20/2005 8:40:57 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: R. Scott

Maybe we all need to have something tatooed on our butts


49 posted on 12/20/2005 8:42:32 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: Warrior_Queen

Tell me when you get your Government tattoo


50 posted on 12/20/2005 8:43:21 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: oblomov

Not a lot of the current bunch; they're happy to have the government take care of them


51 posted on 12/20/2005 8:44:43 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: FilthyHands

Just to walk your friggin dog, and you think this is OK?


52 posted on 12/20/2005 8:46:06 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: E Rocc

53 posted on 12/20/2005 8:47:25 PM PST by An Old Man (USMC 1956 1960)
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To: JTN

No kneejerk Freepers here... LOL


54 posted on 12/20/2005 8:48:13 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: JeffAtlanta
You don't even need to go circular to show how screwed-up this law could be if Gov. Taft follows his worst instincts and signs it.

Suppose you are just walking along the street and a cop approaches you. You haven't done anything or seen anything, but the cop has. He's just not willing to tell you, as he doesn't want to prejudice the case he's building against a perp you passed on the sidewalk a minute or two earlier.

So the cop asks your name, address and DOB. You say, "Why? Are you going to arrest me for being on the city street?"

"Only if you refuse to give me your name, address and date of birth. I believe you may know something about a crime."

"What!? What happened? Tell me."

"Can't tell you that. I just need your name, address and date of birth. Now, are you gonna give it to me or am I gonna hafta run you in?"

So whatcha gonna do? Punt?

55 posted on 12/20/2005 9:14:24 PM PST by logician2u
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To: DLfromthedesert

I never said one way or the other whether it's okay or not. I was just posting the information that I found stating what the law IS.


56 posted on 12/21/2005 7:01:40 AM PST by FilthyHands (Live so that you may live forever. (viva ut vivas))
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To: JeffAtlanta
After reading this, it doesn't seem to be as bad as I originally suspected. From what I understand, the USSC had already ruled that a person must give law enforcement officers their name if they were suspected of a crime or a witness.

Indeed they have, and the decision is wrong for so many reasons.

57 posted on 12/21/2005 10:38:27 AM PST by JTN ("We must win the War on Drugs by 2003." - Dennis Hastert, Feb. 25 1999)
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To: DLfromthedesert
No kneejerk Freepers here...

Too much time spent listening to Roger Hedgecock and Sean Hannity. The ACLU is wrong on a lot of issues, but they're right sometimes. This is one of them.

58 posted on 12/21/2005 10:42:47 AM PST by JTN ("We must win the War on Drugs by 2003." - Dennis Hastert, Feb. 25 1999)
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To: E Rocc
One problem I see in Ohio is most people's only state ID is their driver's license, and it gets taken away if you get pulled over for DUI even if you haven't been convicted yet. You can get a "replacement" ID, but I've heard (and fortunately haven't confirmed) that getting one revokes your driver's license and its tougher to get it back. -Eric

first thing i always do when i renew my license is go back a week later and tell them i lost it. then i get another copy and have a spare in case its lost, stolen, etc. i do the same thing with my vehicle registration and insurance, and any other "papers" a JBT might arrest me for not having.
59 posted on 12/21/2005 10:48:53 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: freepatriot32

Disgusting? Yes. Surprising? No.


60 posted on 12/21/2005 11:38:53 AM PST by sheltonmac (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES)
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