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Do You Approve of Bush's Domestic Spying Program? (Poll to Freep)
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Posted on 12/19/2005 2:19:50 PM PST by YourAdHere

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To: KarlInOhio

>>How did that word "noun" sneak in? <<

Well every person you can know,
And every place that you can go,
And anything that you can show,
You know they're nouns.

A noun's a special kind of word,
It's any name you ever heard,
I find it quite interesting,
A noun's a person, place, or thing.

Oh I took a train, took a train to another state.
The flora and fauna that I saw were really great.
I saw some bandits chasin' the train.
I was wishin' I was back home again.
I took a train, took a train to another state.

Well, every person you can know (Like a bandit or an engineer)
And every place that you can go (Like a state or a home)
And anything that you can show (Like animals and plants or a train)
You know they're nouns - you know they're nouns, oh...

Mrs. Jones is a lady on Hudson Street.
She sent her dog to bark at my brother and me.
We gave her dog a big fat bone,
And now he barks at Mrs. Jones.
She's a lady who lives on Hudson Street.

Well, every person you can know (Mrs. Jones, a lady, or a brother)
And every place that you can go (Like a street or a corner)
And anything that you can show (Like a dog or a bone)
You know they're nouns - you know they're nouns.

I took a ferry to the Statue of Liberty.
My best friend was waitin' there for me. (He took an early ferry.)
We went for a walk on the island you know,
And in the middle of summer it started to snow,
When I took a ferry to the Statue of Liberty.

Well every person you can know (Like a friend or the captain of a ship)
And every place that you can go (An island or a sea)
And anything that you can show (Like a statue, a ferry, or snow)
You know they're nouns - you know they're nouns

Oh, I put a dime in the drugstore record machine.
Oldies goldies started playing if you know what I mean.
I heard Chubby Checker, he was doin' the twist
And the Beatles and the Monkees, it goes like this!
I put a dime in the drugstore record machine.

Well every person you can know (The Beatles and the Monkees, Chubby Checker)
And every place that you can go (Like a neighborhood or a store)
And anything that you can show (Like a dime or a record machine)
You know they're nouns.

A noun's a special kind of word,
It's any name you ever heard,
I find it quite interesting,
A noun's a person, place, or thing.

A noun is a person, place or thing.


61 posted on 12/19/2005 6:15:52 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: YourAdHere

Well its now not in favor of it: what if it were worded:
DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT SHOULD TRY TO CATCH TERRORISTS WHO MIGHT BLOW YOU UP NEXT TIME YOU ARE THE MALL, EVEN IF HE HAS TO TAP A PHONE LINE TO CATCH THEM? Hmmmm?


62 posted on 12/19/2005 6:16:52 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: toddlintown
That is NOT domestic and if you can't understand the logic of this, compare it to a package delivered to me in Chicago from Germany. Is this a domestic delivery or an international one?

I've got an even better one. If somebody in Canada mails you a package containing Tylenol w/codeine in it, and you are caught, who goes to jail? It's legal in Canada, but not in the US without a prescription.

Whose laws take precedence over your possession of a controlled substance, Canada's, or America's? Under whose laws are you charged? What about the person in Canada? Under whose laws are they charged? It is US law. The Canadian will be extradited to the US, and you are both going to jail, in the US.

I do not understand why people cannot see this. If the gov't is listening in on a conversation, where one end of that conversation is taking place in the US, then the gov't has to obey US law in tapping into that conversation. There is no grey area here.

63 posted on 12/19/2005 6:18:45 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: firebrand

I know. Too many folks are grabbing at straws, trying to come up with anything, anything at all, that will show that Bush didn't violate the law. I guess that we'll have to see how this plays out.

Bush could always argue that the Patriot Act gave him the authorization to do it. It does. It is unconstitutional, but it does. I don't know why he hasn't fallen back on that yet. It hadn't been ruled unconstitutional, so he could always claim that he was just following the law as it is written.


64 posted on 12/19/2005 6:24:37 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Do you approve of President George W. Bush's authorization of a secret domestic spying program?
Choice Votes Percentage of 4995 Votes
Yes 2364 47%
No 2631 53%
Thanks for participating in our informal survey. Watch News4 for more.


65 posted on 12/19/2005 6:27:48 PM PST by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops and their CIC)
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To: toddlintown

Something for consideration. Folks are referring to this as 'wiretapping', but, is it really? As I understand it, if these are calls that were initiated overseas by AQ, then, I would suspect that the chances are very good that they are using a satellite phone and link. If someone is intercepting these satellite transmissions and listening in on them - is that really considered 'wire tapping'? Not trying to parse words here (e.g., what is, is), but it seems to me if they're using this type of technology, then it's not really a wire tap. Can't satellite transmissions be picked up here an there if one has the right technology (I'm not a techie, but seems this would be feasible).


66 posted on 12/19/2005 6:34:15 PM PST by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops and their CIC)
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To: wyattearp
The National Security Administration has been intercepting and using electronic communications acquired in international spaces, ever since the NSA was created, which long predates the Bush Administration.

Also, when I comment on constitutional law, I do so from the perspective of 32 years practicing in the Supreme Court. For most of that time, George Bush was not President. You may reduce this to a "Bushbot" issue, but I don't.

If a communication is intercepted over the Atlantic Ocean in space, or under it from a cable, that is "international" and fair game. Others have cited chapter and verse of US law that make that clear. If you don't get it, that's your problem. Most of us do not share that excessively narrow view.

John / Billybob

67 posted on 12/19/2005 6:40:28 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Do you think Fitzpatrick resembled Captain Queeg, coming apart on the witness stand?)
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To: YourAdHere

Looks like DU has gotten wind of this poll.

"NO" votes are ahead.


68 posted on 12/19/2005 6:41:02 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: YourAdHere

You betcha


69 posted on 12/19/2005 6:47:57 PM PST by tillacum (MERRY CHIRISTMAS ONE AND ALL. BIRTHDAY OF JESUS CHRIST, TEACHER.)
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To: Boundless

"Um, how is "Bush's" program different than what appears
to me to be the same program under Clinton?"

None, but under the present administration it's better for the country.


70 posted on 12/19/2005 6:48:13 PM PST by dljordan
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To: YourAdHere

bump


71 posted on 12/19/2005 7:44:30 PM PST by lowbridge (All that is needed for evil to triumph is for "RINOS" to do something)
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To: wyattearp
Good Dick Morris column in the NYPost today about how they caught the guys planning to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge using exactly the same methods of eavesdropping that the Dems, wallowing in their partisan slop, are trying to end.

If only there were a way to make obstructionists the only targets of the terrorists, while those who support the administration get away unscathed!

72 posted on 12/20/2005 9:37:04 AM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand
If only there were a way to make obstructionists the only targets of the terrorists, while those who support the administration get away unscathed!

Germany, 1938.

73 posted on 12/20/2005 9:50:46 AM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: wyattearp

"There is no grey area here."

Following your logic, I've got a real good idea where the grey area is.


74 posted on 12/20/2005 11:24:47 AM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: wyattearp

This is a little different, as the terrorists are targeting all of us--those who want them stopped and those who care more about partisan politics than the war on terrorism. It was a joke. Germany 1938 has nothing whatever to do with it, metaphorically, analogously, or any other way.


75 posted on 12/21/2005 11:17:41 AM PST by firebrand
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