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“Bush Spying Story” Is Four Years Old
Sweetness & Light ^ | December 19, 2005 | N/A

Posted on 12/19/2005 11:34:08 AM PST by Sam Hill

Somehow the geeky Wired News managed to scoop the vaunted New York Times by more than four years:


Bush Submits His Laws for War

By Declan McCullagh
10:15 AM Sep. 20, 2001 PT

WASHINGTON -- President Bush sent his anti-terrorism bill to Congress late Wednesday, launching an emotional debate that will force U.S. politicians to choose between continued freedom for Americans or greater security.

Created in response to last week's bloody attacks, the draft "Mobilization Against Terrorism Act" (MATA) rewrites laws dealing with wiretapping, eavesdropping and immigration. The draft, intended to increase prosecutors' courtroom authority, also unleashes the government's Echelon and Carnivore spy systems.

"We will call upon the Congress of the United States to enact these important anti-terrorism measures," Attorney General John Ashcroft said this week. "We need these tools to fight the terrorism threat which exists in the United States, and we must meet that growing threat."

Although Ashcroft has said he hopes Congress will approve MATA by Saturday, Capitol Hill appears to be taking a more cautious approach. The House Judiciary committee has pledged a speedy but careful consideration, and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) has his own legislation he'll highlight at a hearing next Tuesday.

At a press conference Thursday in Washington, scores of organizations from across the political spectrum urged politicians to tread carefully and protect civil liberties during wartime. The In Defense of Freedom coalition says it hopes to prevent a repetition of earlier wars that heralded greater government powers and sharply curtailed freedoms.

During the Civil War, President Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, interfered with freedom of speech and of the press and ordered that suspected political criminals be tried before military tribunals. After declaring war in 1917, Congress banned using the U.S. mail to send any material urging "treason, insurrection or forcible resistance to any law."

President Wilson asked Congress to go even further: His draft of the Espionage Act included a $10,000 fine and 10 years imprisonment for anyone publishing information that could be useful to the enemy. The House of Representatives narrowly defeated it by a vote of 184-144.

This is the inevitable result of war: In national emergencies, even in liberal democracies, the uneasy relationship between freedom and order edges toward greater government power and control.

"There is no reason to think that future wartime presidents will act differently from Lincoln, Wilson or Roosevelt, or that future justices of the Supreme Court will decide questions differently from their predecessors," William Rehnquist, chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, wrote in a book published in 1998.

"It is neither desirable nor is it remotely likely that civil liberty will occupy as favored a position in wartime as it does in peacetime," Rehnquist wrote in All the Laws But One.

This time, there seems to be little interest in enacting laws against free expression -- but the draft version of MATA would curtail privacy in hopes of thwarting future terrorist attacks. It says:

In a statement, the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation said that this "broad legislation would radically tip the United States' system of checks and balances, giving the government unprecedented authority to surveil American citizens with little judicial or other oversight."

The American Civil Liberties Union said Wednesday: "Under the proposed legislation, legal and non-legal immigrants alike would be denied a hearing or any way to contest the accusations against them. This is an unprecedented move inconsistent with the pledge of our leaders not to respond to the terrorist attacks in a way that degrades our system of justice."

And low and behold, those jackbooted fascists in the Bush regime even sent out a press release -- which I guess the New York Times deemed unworthy or their attention:

Department of Justice Seal


MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 2001 (202) 616-2777

TDD (202) 514-1888




WASHINGTON, D.C. Attorney General John Ashcroft today presented the Mobilization Against Terrorism Act to Congress. Appearing before the House Judiciary Committee, Attorney General Ashcroft outlined the comprehensive legislative initiative which will redefine the antiterrorism effort while protecting civil liberties. The purpose of the legislation is to provide the President and the Department of Justice with the tools and resources necessary to disrupt, weaken, thwart, and eliminate the infrastructure of terrorist organizations, to prevent or thwart terrorist attacks, and to punish perpetrators of terrorist acts.

"The danger that darkened the United States of America and the civilized world on September 11 did not pass with the atrocities committed that day," said Ashcroft. "It requires that we provide law enforcement with the tools necessary to identify, dismantle, disrupt and punish terrorist organizations before they strike again. Terrorism is a clear and present danger to American's today."

The proposed legislation seeks to combat terrorist activity on several fronts. Title I enhances the Department's capacity to gather intelligence necessary to combat terrorist organizations who increasingly employ sophisticated modes of global communications. Existing wiretap authority and procedures have not kept pace with the development of modern technology or the mode of operations of international terrorist organizations. Since current wiretap authority is often restricted to specific property as opposed to allowing law enforcement to follow suspects, current authority is inadequate for investigative personnel to monitor terrorist agents and associates. These proposals update the law to the technology. Terrorist offenses necessitate and justify comprehensive intelligence gathering.

Title II enhances the authority of the Immigration and Naturalization Service to detain and remove suspected terrorists by expanding the definition of terrorists to include those who lend support to terrorist organizations. The ability of terrorists to enter the United States and operate within the country is the obvious prerequisite to their capacity to inflict damage on citizens and facilities. These proposals protect the integrity of the United States borders without sacrificing the ability to welcome law-abiding visitors and legal immigrants.

Title III proposes changes to enhance prosecutors' ability to disable terrorists organizations through the legal process. The proposal amends current law to encourage investigation and prosecution prior to successful completion of a devastating terrorist attack. Terrorism should be considered no less than murder and the elimination of the statute of limitations on terrorist acts is reflective of these sentiments. In addition, this legislation provides for alternative maximum sentences, up to life, for the commission of terrorist acts, giving judges the ability to punish terrorists commensurate to their crimes. A number of other proposals are designed to punish or deter those who would assist terrorists and their organizations through concealment of their activities or their members. The lending of support that works to further terrorist organizations and to perpetuate terrorist attacks is expressly criminalized. In these specific changes to the law of crimes and criminal procedure, the constitutional rights of the accused are respected.

Title IV aims at the financial infrastructure of terrorist organizations whose sophisticated operations require substantial financial resources. Often such resources are provided by those not directly responsible for terrorist acts. These proposals will cripple the capacity of terrorist organizations to finance their illegal activities through criminal and civil forfeiture of resources. In addition, criminal liability is specifically imposed on those who knowingly engage in financial transactions involving the proceeds of these acts.

Title V authorizes emergency operations in response to the September 11 attacks and assists the Attorney General in providing support and relief to the victims. These proposals provide the Attorney General greater discretion and authority to disburse funds with regard to rewards to be offered in connection with crimes of terrorism.

So the obvious question becomes, why did our one party media decide to trot this story out again? You may well ask why these same "watchdogs" thought it was important to regurgitate the "CIA prison" stories that came out last spring.

But you know why. The DNC/MSM cannot allow the good news coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan to be reported.

They have to throw up something to keep their defeat America agenda on-track. That is job number one.

TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 20010920; bush43; carnivore; d; echelon; homelandsecurity; mata; nsa; patriotleak; spying; surveillance
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It's almost as if the NY Times wants us to lose the War On Terror.
1 posted on 12/19/2005 11:34:12 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

No "almost" about it.

2 posted on 12/19/2005 11:35:34 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Howlin; Deb; kcvl; Mo1; Enchante; nopardons; veronica; KJC1; stocksthatgoup; mewzilla; backhoe; ...


3 posted on 12/19/2005 11:35:45 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Darth Reagan


4 posted on 12/19/2005 11:36:45 AM PST by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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To: Sam Hill

They absolutely do.

They would be more than happy to watch the nation annihilated as long as it makes Bush look bad.

5 posted on 12/19/2005 11:38:03 AM PST by Skooz (Santa's laughter mocks the poor.)
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To: Sam Hill
The story was held so they could run it the same day as the Iraq elections; we won't be allowed any good news for America while GWB is in office. These "revelation's" will occur anytime anything positive happens.
6 posted on 12/19/2005 11:38:56 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: Sam Hill

Visit Alamo Girl's Downside legacy to review how Clinton expanded Echelon to spy on US citizens and foreign companies and then sold the technology to the Chinese!

7 posted on 12/19/2005 11:39:18 AM PST by Eva
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To: Sam Hill
It's almost as if the NY Times wants us to lose the War On Terror.

Do you think?

Too bad the RATS and their useful idiots (MSM) will require further pain to "get it" and STFU.

8 posted on 12/19/2005 11:42:34 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Sam Hill

nice find

9 posted on 12/19/2005 11:43:09 AM PST by aft_lizard (What does G-d look like then if we evolved from nothing?See Genisis Ch 1:26-27)
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To: SF Republican


The NY Slimes was trying to smother the elections.

Not onloy did it not work, the reporters are going to need to hire some very expensive lawyers while they are investigated by the AG for the classified leaks.

10 posted on 12/19/2005 11:45:14 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Sam Hill

"It's almost as if the NY Times wants us to lose the War On Terror."

Their story is clearly politically slanted. It is common "knowledge" within the IT community that calls from the U.S to overseas are monitored. Anybody acting surprised about this is either stupid or dishonest.

Now that said, we may need to change the law because it is not clear that what the President has authorized is legal.

11 posted on 12/19/2005 11:45:16 AM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: Sam Hill
It's almost as if the NY Times wants us to lose the War On Terror.

Almost? The same newspaper that for days published the obituaries of 3,000 Americans in 2001, finds itself in total agreement with the same bastards who killed those 3,000 Americans.

12 posted on 12/19/2005 11:46:15 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Luke 2 : 8-14)
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To: Mike Darancette; Sam Hill; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Marine_Uncle; Mo1; Peach; ...
There is a book .....


A Must Read:

Unholy Alliance :
Radical Islam and the American Left (Hardcover)
by David Horowitz


Vastly Illuminating, September 25, 2004

Reviewer: Kat Bakhu (Albuquerque, NM United States) - See all my reviews
I had long wondered why people on the Left had the propensity to speak more positively about people who would slit their throats than they do about their own country, which affords them more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else. David Horowitz has answered that question thoroughly and convincingly in his Unholy Alliance. Where I felt bewildered and confused, I now feel crystal clear. Unholy Alliance is such a great book.

It begins with the leftist movements at the beginning of the 20th Century, and works its way up to the present day, exploring the anti-American attitude of these movements in detail. Horowitz shows that the enemies of the US back then are largely the same group today, operating under the same misperceptions, making the same mistakes, and pursuing the same impossible utopia.

Individual chapters are included on the Patriot Act (I was persuaded that it is a GOOD thing); the democratic flip-flop on Iraq once G.W. Bush implemented what they agreed with Clinton needed to be done; the driving components of the current anti-war movement; as well as chapters on individual personalities who are major spokespeople of the Left. Horowitz covers a lot of ground, and he covers it concisely and clearly. Unholy Alliance is richly informative without ever being boring or plodding.

This book is so illuminating that I simply cannot do justice to it here. I love people who reason so clearly that they help me get my own reasoning clear. Horowitz is just that type of person! In the terrain of mindless clichés (no-blood-for-oil, etc.), he is a breath of real fresh air.


13 posted on 12/19/2005 11:47:46 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Sam Hill

why have FISA warrants if you're not gonna use them?
I read somewhere that 758 were applied for and the same # granted, so why not go through the warrant process?

just wondering.

14 posted on 12/19/2005 11:50:02 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: SF Republican
we won't be allowed any good news for America while GWB is in office.

This explains the "the econmy is tanking" mantra we hear from the MSM and the DNC.

15 posted on 12/19/2005 11:50:56 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: Sam Hill; All

When did MATA get voted on and adopted?

16 posted on 12/19/2005 11:51:06 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy since 1992!)
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To: Sam Hill; STARWISE; Gucho; blackie; All; Grampa Dave; airborne; MikeinIraq; Peach; MeekOneGOP; ...

“Eto fore information of this should not be release. Infore it jeopardizes your nation security and other coalition’s nations.

I am astounded of this information being made public. Fore underlines your security of your nation.

I am adamant of your reporters and their life Infore your security is in danger. "Your enemy is well aware of your moves. Damage is done."”


Thank you all. Be strong America!!!!!

17 posted on 12/19/2005 11:58:23 AM PST by anonymoussierra (Merry Christmas)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

One of these days I must see if I can find it in the public library system. Thanks.

18 posted on 12/19/2005 11:58:53 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Sam Hill
"It's almost as if the NY Times wants us to lose the War On Terror"

Yep. It shows you how much hatred can blind the senses.

On the one hand they condemn Bush for not going far enough in implementing the "9/11 Commission's" suggestions, while on the other they condemn him for taking steps like this to increase our security and help catch terrorists before they strike. They don't care one iota about terrorism, they just want to nail Pres. Bush.

Bush is too wise and too good a man to get caught in their traps, so they simply invent situations like this to turn public sentiment against him. There is nothing worse than people who will bear false witness against others to cause them harm. These people at the N.Y. Times are in the same moral category as the terrorists, that's why they are allies.

19 posted on 12/19/2005 11:59:33 AM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

It was passed by the House and then incorporated into the Patriot Act:

Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

20 posted on 12/19/2005 12:04:53 PM PST by Sam Hill
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