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McCain says some torture justified
AP ^ | December 19, 2005

Posted on 12/19/2005 9:38:38 AM PST by West Coast Conservative

Sen. John McCain, who pushed the White House to support a ban on torture, suggested Sunday that harsh treatment of a terrorism suspect who knew of an imminent attack would not violate international standards.

The Arizona Republican said legislation before Congress would establish in U.S. law the international standard banning any treatment of prisoners that "shocks the conscience."

That would include, McCain said, mock executions and "water boarding," in which a subject is made to think he is drowning.

Asked on ABC's "This Week" whether such treatment of a terrorism suspect who could reveal information that could stop a terrorist operation would shock the conscience, McCain said it would not.

"In that million-to-one situation, then the president of the United States would authorize it and take responsibility for it," McCain said.

"We've gone a long way from having that kind of scenario to having prisons around the world, to the renditions, to the things that have been done which are, in my view, not appropriate," he said.

After months of rejecting a call for anti-torture legislation, President Bush last week accepted McCain's proposal to ban cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of terrorism suspects. Bush had threatened to veto any bill that contained the ban, while maintaining the U.S. did not condone torture.

"You can get into a debate about what shocks the conscience and what is cruel and inhuman, and to some extent, I suppose, that's in the eye of the beholder," Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday in an interview to be broadcast Monday today on ABC News "Nightline."

"But I believe, and we think it's important to remember, that we are in a war against a group of individuals and terrorist organizations that did, in fact, slaughter 3,000 innocent Americans on 9/11, that it's important for us to be able to have effective interrogation of these people when we capture them."

Cheney said he supported the compromise Bush worked out with McCain.

Abuses at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and the U.S. detention center at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba, as well as reports of U.S. renditions of prisoners to countries in Europe, called into question claims that torture was neither ordered nor allowed.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; abughraib; bush; mccain; terrorism; torture; torturebill
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1 posted on 12/19/2005 9:38:40 AM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

The torture McPain endorses is our listening 24/7 to what comes out of his pie hole. Shut Up!


2 posted on 12/19/2005 9:41:14 AM PST by RicocheT
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To: West Coast Conservative
Listening to John McCain is torture. Where do I go to file a complaint?
3 posted on 12/19/2005 9:42:42 AM PST by msnimje (Political Correctness -- An OFFENSIVE attempt not to offend.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

W must have twisted his arm.


4 posted on 12/19/2005 9:44:07 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Sen. John McCain, who pushed the White House to support a ban on torture, suggested Sunday that harsh treatment of a terrorism suspect who knew of an imminent attack would not violate international standards.

It won't violate the ban until the ban reaches the courts and left-wing justices define what torture is and outlaw it.

5 posted on 12/19/2005 9:45:33 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: West Coast Conservative
Let us amend the law to the sh** can.
6 posted on 12/19/2005 9:46:36 AM PST by boomop1
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To: West Coast Conservative

McLame is a nut job. The guy should be put away for OUR good.


7 posted on 12/19/2005 9:47:36 AM PST by caisson71
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To: msnimje

You want torture? How about a 2008 choice between Hellary and McCainiac?


8 posted on 12/19/2005 9:47:45 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: West Coast Conservative
McCain is still an idiot. If its necessary, why outlaw it, Senator? Why write a Bill Of Rights specifically for Al Qaeda. They chop off heads and you want to give them due process. How considerate of you to show more concern for terrorists than the 3,000 Americans they murdered. That's exactly why I will do everything in my power to see to it you never become President. I don't want someone running this country who sees himself, not as bound to protect its national security but rather as a servant of the MSM.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

9 posted on 12/19/2005 9:48:53 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: West Coast Conservative

This is too cruel. It must be stopped.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543379/posts


10 posted on 12/19/2005 9:49:03 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

This guy is such an A$$h-hole.


11 posted on 12/19/2005 9:50:06 AM PST by Lowell (The voice from beyond the edge!)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

self-o ping-o


12 posted on 12/19/2005 9:50:32 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: West Coast Conservative

Does McCain even understand that the words he writes as law have consequences? First the gobbledygook of the McCain-Feingold debacle, and now this. McCain is a bimbo, a very dangerous one.


13 posted on 12/19/2005 9:51:45 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I read the amendment. While I'm not impressed and is quite an insulting insinuation that our guys don't do their jobs, I think there are a lot of loopholes in it that can be used to make life for the jihadi losers less than comfortable.

The only standard we need to use in treating terrorits: Never treat them as the pussy hippies want. Never go as far the maggots themselves. Always ensure that whatever is done will be in the benefit of our country.


14 posted on 12/19/2005 9:52:41 AM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

... or untwisted his panties for him.


15 posted on 12/19/2005 9:53:54 AM PST by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"...then the president of the United States would authorize torture and take responsibility for it," McCain said.

In other words, he wrote a law with the unwritten intention that it would be broken, and the person breaking it would not face any legal repercussions.

Sounds a lot like McCain/Fiengold.

16 posted on 12/19/2005 9:54:07 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Travis McGee

In that case, I'll vote thirsd party.


17 posted on 12/19/2005 10:07:12 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: dead
"...then the president of the United States would authorize torture and take responsibility for it," McCain said.

Something he'll never have to worry about.


18 posted on 12/19/2005 10:10:34 AM PST by McGruff
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Any chance of McCain trying to get the nomination in 2008 is gone. Between this and the gang of 14, McCain might be lucky to get reelected.


19 posted on 12/19/2005 10:15:16 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: Paleo Conservative

"W must have twisted his arm."

ha ha... (ouch)


20 posted on 12/19/2005 10:19:06 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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