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1 posted on 12/19/2005 6:23:57 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 12/19/2005 6:26:10 AM PST by NYer ("Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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I love God, love Christ and love going to church but I really don't have a problem with being closed on Christmas.
Like, really, how many of those complainers would be going on Christmas morning after all. Just think if their employers required them to work on Christmas w/o holiday pay!?
Christians can be the most nasty people to deal with. Sunday is the messiest, rudest day of the week in the food and beverage industry when people come by after church for dinner.


4 posted on 12/19/2005 6:33:58 AM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors, don't run with rocks. NRA)
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I'm still troubled that more Christians in this community specifically did not stand up for us knowing what this church represents."

I'm troubled that you're closing the doors and ignoring the reason that your church even exists for your own convenience. Perhaps the good pastor could give a sermon on sacrifice and love.

6 posted on 12/19/2005 6:34:35 AM PST by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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Pastor Weece: "People are not the enemy," he said. "The devil is, and it is obvious that he has been at work in this situation."

Pastor Coy: "I've been called a bad person and a shame to Christianity...It made me realize that many people misunderstood our motives."

Yup, it's everyone else's fault. Damn those parishoners that expect the church to be open on a Sunday. I suppose they'll be wanting to show up on Superbowl Sunday, too?


7 posted on 12/19/2005 6:36:11 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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My pastor didn't have nice things to say about closing church on Christmas this past Sunday.

The world has always tried to take Christ of Christmas. There is a difference between a holiday and a Holy Day. A holiday, which is what the world celebrates on Dec 25, is a day that's about us. We are off work and school, we eat good food, watch football, and have a good time. Which is fine. I'm not knocking any of that stuff at all. I'll probably do some of it myself; after church, that is.

A holy day isn't about us; it's about Him. The fact that Christmas falls on a Sunday this year is causing a clash between the two.

And yes, I know that Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th. I also know that Dec 25th was chosen to celebrate Christ's birth for political reasons. But I also know that it doesn't flippin' matter. You can celebrate Christ's birth at any time, and when such a celebration happens, you can experience the presence of God as many of us do during Christmas time.

If you are the pastor of Christian church, I can't imagine why you'd want to have no services on a Sunday morning that also happened to be Christmas morning.

I am thrilled that Christmas is on Sunday, and I can't think of anywhere I'd rather be on a Sunday Christmas morning than in God's house.
10 posted on 12/19/2005 6:39:22 AM PST by JamesP81
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My family goes to church every Sunday. At Christmas and Easter, our church is mobbed by "Holiday Christians", and someone is always in 'our' seat. I plan to spend Christmas at home with my family. I suspect that the majority of complainers are the Holiday Christians who only go twice a year, anyway.


12 posted on 12/19/2005 6:40:21 AM PST by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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"I was deeply saddened.."

Uh-oh, where have I heard this before?

14 posted on 12/19/2005 6:42:02 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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"Weece blamed Satan the devil for using the Christmas issue as a distraction, prompting Christians to bicker among themselves.


"People are not the enemy," he said. "The devil is, and it is obvious that he has been at work in this situation."



"Satan the devil"? As opposed to "Satan the nice guy"??

Ahhh..spoken like a true liberal Democrat: "It's not my fault - it's SATAN'S fault!! Yeah, that's it - SATAN!!"

What a load of crap. If Satan is talking thru anyone, it's the pastors who are closing churches on Christmas.


15 posted on 12/19/2005 6:42:37 AM PST by Blzbba ("Shop Smart. Shop S-Mart" - Ashe, Housewares)
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"Isn't that special?"

18 posted on 12/19/2005 6:45:22 AM PST by sheltonmac (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES)
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While there is no set of new testament commandments requiring an assembly to take place, and while we are to accept no man's judging us regarding a sabbath or a holy season, there is a counterproductive message sent by closing one's doors on Christmas Sunday.

It really does give the impression of secular expediency.

If, however, these churches choose that route, they do not sin, but it is certain, as well, that they are terribly shortsighted.


19 posted on 12/19/2005 6:46:27 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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bump


23 posted on 12/19/2005 6:49:49 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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Jesus is "the reason for the season". It's not about presents, Christmas trees, lights, santa claus, or any other peripheral "fluff". It's about Jesus Christ, our Lord. If people who profess to be Christian cannot get themselves to Church on Christmas, then they really are lost.

I'm proud to be a Cathlolic, btw.


28 posted on 12/19/2005 6:56:53 AM PST by khnyny (Merry Christmas)
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The Sabbath was created for man; not man for the Sabbath...


35 posted on 12/19/2005 7:17:19 AM PST by Chasaway (Anything not worth doing is not worth doing well.)
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Personally, I think it is up to the individual churches, or their respective organizations, to decide if they have a Christmas service on Sunday or not. What troubles me are the Christians who are not members of these churches condemning their decisions. It's in the same class of arguements that one denomination has against another. Disgusting. People need to keept their own church and not dictate the business of another.


37 posted on 12/19/2005 7:17:41 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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I attend a church of ~2600 in St. Louis. We have a pastor that walks the talk, etc.

The church is having a Christmas Eve service, but not having a service on the 25th.

My relationship is with the Lord, and as such is not (in and of itself) diminished by the lack of a Christmas Day service.

Having said that, I wish that the decision to cancel services had not been made. Aside from the principle of the thing, I view the coincidence of the 25th being on a Sunday as a wonderful opportunity to celebrate His birth in His house on His day.

An opportunity missed.


52 posted on 12/19/2005 8:01:31 AM PST by pilipo (Merry Christmas!!)
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Jesus was not likely born in December.

At the time of Christ's birth, the shepherds tended their flocks in the fields at night.

(Luke 2:8) Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night.

A common practice of shepherds was keeping their flocks in the field from April to October, but in the cold and rainy winter months they took their flocks back home and sheltered them.

As these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is likely that October had not yet commenced.

The Bible indicates that each individual believer has been given a great deal of freedom in determining specific days of observance.

(Rom 14:5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


64 posted on 12/19/2005 8:11:09 AM PST by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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Weece blamed Satan the devil for using the Christmas issue as a distraction, prompting Christians to bicker among themselves.

"Was it Satan? ... Isn't that special."

65 posted on 12/19/2005 8:11:38 AM PST by manwiththehands ("Merry Christmas .... and Happy New Year ... you can take your seat now ...")
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I'm continually amazed at how much attention people pay to what someone ELSE'S church does. Five churches in the country close on Christmas, and everyone else is in a tizzy. I don't go to any of those churches, and will be at Christmas service. I just don't get it.


76 posted on 12/19/2005 8:25:29 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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"People are not the enemy," he said. "The devil is, and it is obvious that he has been at work in this situation."

It's always been Satan's objective to keep people out of church. Some people happen to be his aides.


92 posted on 12/19/2005 8:39:29 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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"I was deeply saddened"

Is Weece related to Tom Daschle?


118 posted on 12/19/2005 8:55:17 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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