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Christian 'megapastor' blasts believers on Dec. 25 dispute (defends decision to close)
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| December 19, 2005
Posted on 12/19/2005 6:23:54 AM PST by NYer
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:23:57 AM PST
by
NYer
To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
For those christians whose churches are closed on Christmas Day, please join us for Christmas Mass. Catholic Churches will be holding Vigil, Midnight and Christmas Day Masses.
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:26:10 AM PST
by
NYer
("Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
To: NYer
For those christians whose churches are closed on Christmas Day, please join us for Christmas Mass. Catholic Churches will be holding Vigil, Midnight and Christmas Day Masses.
LandMark Missionary Baptist Church in Edwards Illinois will also be open - Sunday School 9:45, Worship Services 11am, Sunday evening 6pm.
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:29:56 AM PST
by
AD from SpringBay
(We have the government we allow and deserve.)
To: NYer
I love God, love Christ and love going to church but I really don't have a problem with being closed on Christmas.
Like, really, how many of those complainers would be going on Christmas morning after all. Just think if their employers required them to work on Christmas w/o holiday pay!?
Christians can be the most nasty people to deal with. Sunday is the messiest, rudest day of the week in the food and beverage industry when people come by after church for dinner.
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:33:58 AM PST
by
Mrs. Shawnlaw
(Rock beats scissors, don't run with rocks. NRA)
To: NYer
"Weece said the services being offered on Christmas Eve were still technically the "first day of the week" if one went by the custom of starting days at sunset, which some believe was the case in Jesus' day."
Its more than custom. The Liturgical Sunday begins late on Saturday afternoon. A Christmas Eve liturgy would be the Liturgy for Christmas.
"Christmas began as a pagan holiday to the Roman gods, and if we were to really celebrate the historical birth of Jesus, it would either be in January or mid-April. I'm only pointing out the historical technicalities not out of intellectual arrogance, but again because of the illogical, ill-informed and even hypocritical arguments that were aimed at me personally this last week."
That's sort of right but mostly wrong. The Feast of the Annunciation has always been celebrated around March 25th in the East, even before the celebration of the Feast of Christmas. Do the math. The fact that the Saturnalia occurred in December is a fortuitous circumstance.
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:34:20 AM PST
by
Kolokotronis
(Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
To: NYer
I'm still troubled that more Christians in this community specifically did not stand up for us knowing what this church represents." I'm troubled that you're closing the doors and ignoring the reason that your church even exists for your own convenience. Perhaps the good pastor could give a sermon on sacrifice and love.
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:34:35 AM PST
by
ladtx
("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
To: NYer
Pastor Weece: "People are not the enemy," he said. "The devil is, and it is obvious that he has been at work in this situation."
Pastor Coy: "I've been called a bad person and a shame to Christianity...It made me realize that many people misunderstood our motives."
Yup, it's everyone else's fault. Damn those parishoners that expect the church to be open on a Sunday. I suppose they'll be wanting to show up on Superbowl Sunday, too?
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:36:11 AM PST
by
randog
(What the....?!)
To: AD from SpringBay
Here's an excellent look at this current trend of "forsaking the assembling" of the saints (Hebrews 10:19 - 25). I wonder how these "culture sensitive" pastors would respond to this guy. I think he hits the nail squarely on the head.
http://www.crosswalk.com/faith/1368450.html
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:37:14 AM PST
by
Manfred the Wonder Dawg
(In all things give thanks, for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.)
To: NYer
One Mega church, the 29,000 member Bellevue Baptist in Cordova TN is meeting on Christmas morning:
December 25
11:00 a.m.One morning Worship Service. No Bible Fellowship Classes or evening Worship Service
January 1
Regular Morning Worship Services and Bible Fellowship Schedule. No evening Worship Services
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:39:21 AM PST
by
Sybeck1
(Dr. Adrian Rogers, September 12, 1931 - November 15, 2005)
To: NYer
My pastor didn't have nice things to say about closing church on Christmas this past Sunday.
The world has always tried to take Christ of Christmas. There is a difference between a holiday and a Holy Day. A holiday, which is what the world celebrates on Dec 25, is a day that's about us. We are off work and school, we eat good food, watch football, and have a good time. Which is fine. I'm not knocking any of that stuff at all. I'll probably do some of it myself; after church, that is.
A holy day isn't about us; it's about Him. The fact that Christmas falls on a Sunday this year is causing a clash between the two.
And yes, I know that Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th. I also know that Dec 25th was chosen to celebrate Christ's birth for political reasons. But I also know that it doesn't flippin' matter. You can celebrate Christ's birth at any time, and when such a celebration happens, you can experience the presence of God as many of us do during Christmas time.
If you are the pastor of Christian church, I can't imagine why you'd want to have no services on a Sunday morning that also happened to be Christmas morning.
I am thrilled that Christmas is on Sunday, and I can't think of anywhere I'd rather be on a Sunday Christmas morning than in God's house.
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:39:22 AM PST
by
JamesP81
To: NYer
For those christians whose churches are closed on Christmas Day, please join us for Christmas Mass. Catholic Churches will be holding Vigil, Midnight and Christmas Day Masses. I'd like to, because I love the Catholic Church and the Pope, even though I'm a Protestant. But I've always understood that only Catholics can take part in a mass and receive the Eucharist. Isn't that true?
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:39:40 AM PST
by
Capriole
(I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
To: NYer
My family goes to church every Sunday. At Christmas and Easter, our church is mobbed by "Holiday Christians", and someone is always in 'our' seat. I plan to spend Christmas at home with my family. I suspect that the majority of complainers are the Holiday Christians who only go twice a year, anyway.
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:40:21 AM PST
by
sportutegrl
(People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
To: randog
Damn those parishoners that expect the church to be open on a Sunday. I suppose they'll be wanting to show up on Superbowl Sunday, too?
Not very seeker sensitive is he?
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:40:25 AM PST
by
AD from SpringBay
(We have the government we allow and deserve.)
To: NYer
"I was deeply saddened.." Uh-oh, where have I heard this before?
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:42:02 AM PST
by
add925
(The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
To: NYer
"Weece blamed Satan the devil for using the Christmas issue as a distraction, prompting Christians to bicker among themselves.
"People are not the enemy," he said. "The devil is, and it is obvious that he has been at work in this situation."
"Satan the devil"? As opposed to "Satan the nice guy"??
Ahhh..spoken like a true liberal Democrat: "It's not my fault - it's SATAN'S fault!! Yeah, that's it - SATAN!!"
What a load of crap. If Satan is talking thru anyone, it's the pastors who are closing churches on Christmas.
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:42:37 AM PST
by
Blzbba
("Shop Smart. Shop S-Mart" - Ashe, Housewares)
To: Capriole
But I've always understood that only Catholics can take part in a mass and receive the Eucharist. Isn't that true? Yes and no. Non-Catholics should not receive the Eucharist, but they can certainly participate in the rest of the service, joining in the prayers and songs and listening to the Bible readings.
SD
To: sportutegrl
I suspect that the majority of complainers are the Holiday Christians who only go twice a year, anyway.
If my church is any indicator (which it may not be) this probably isn't true. At least not around where I live. Might not be the case elsewhere.
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:44:21 AM PST
by
JamesP81
To: NYer
Weece blamed Satan the devil for using the Christmas issue as a distraction, prompting Christians to bicker among themselves.
"Isn't that special?"
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:45:22 AM PST
by
sheltonmac
(QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES)
To: NYer; P-Marlowe; Buggman
While there is no set of new testament commandments requiring an assembly to take place, and while we are to accept no man's judging us regarding a sabbath or a holy season, there is a counterproductive message sent by closing one's doors on Christmas Sunday.
It really does give the impression of secular expediency.
If, however, these churches choose that route, they do not sin, but it is certain, as well, that they are terribly shortsighted.
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:46:27 AM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
To: Blzbba
What a load of crap. If Satan is talking thru anyone, it's the pastors who are closing churches on Christmas.
I'm not prepared to say that the pastors of the megachurches are following Satan, but let's think about this for a moment. Who do you think is pleased more by church being closed, God or Satan?
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posted on
12/19/2005 6:46:29 AM PST
by
JamesP81
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