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LIVE THREAD - President Bush Speech 18 Dec 05 (9:00 PM EST)
12-18-05 | 2111USMC

Posted on 12/18/2005 3:29:18 PM PST by 2111USMC

9:00 PM EST

8:00 PM CST

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KEYWORDS: borders; iraq; iraqielection; iraqspeech; presidentbush
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To: pollywog

"We do not create terrorism by fighting the terrorists. We invite terrorism by ignoring them. --President Bush, 12/18/05
Watch this be Rush Limbaughs' major focal point tomorrow!!!!!!!




My guess is, Rush has said this already, in one form or another. But I suspect he won't have a problem at all piggybacking on the President's saying it tonight. Just a feeling I have. :)

In any case, it should be another day of "must hear radio", as was Friday. I got the feeling on Friday that what he wanted to say would have gotten him thrown off the air, about the Defeatocrats.


1,441 posted on 12/18/2005 10:06:55 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("The only 'new tone' we hear should be that of the Left's telephone being disconnected. " dogcaller)
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To: Christian4Bush

Thanks for the new tag line


1,442 posted on 12/18/2005 10:21:09 PM PST by MNJohnnie (We do not create terrorism by fighting the terrorists. We invite terrorism by ignoring them.--GWBush)
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To: StarFan
It's reaching maximum level and all that hot air is going to result in something really ugly. I almost welcome it if there's a chance we can reach a level of civil discourse. Months and months of this has really taken it's toll. Had I not turned off the TV this morning after the Biden/Graham backstabbing, my husband said he was ready to bolt, and the mood I was in would have had me open the door

Yep. The Senators and the "Journalists" are lucky Dueling is illegal. Starting with the editorial Staff of the NY DNC Times then moving on to Reid/Durbin/Levin et al, there are at least 2 dozen duels I would be happy to fight in the next 24 hours. Several dozen of the treasonous scum need a lesson that actions have consequences.

What pathetic worms. NO thought at all of the consequences just "maybe this will get us back in power, let's try it" mindset. What scum. I do not think I have ever been quite this angry at them as I am now. They are not going to learn no matter how many of us "peons" get murdered. They simply don't care at all if their path back to petty political power requires them to crawl over the bodies of MORE dead American Civilians.

1,443 posted on 12/18/2005 10:31:31 PM PST by MNJohnnie (We do not create terrorism by fighting the terrorists. We invite terrorism by ignoring them.--GWBush)
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To: MNJohnnie

I thought it a nice touch to quote a Christmas carol from the Civil War era at the end. Who has that quote?


1,444 posted on 12/18/2005 10:57:10 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: 2111USMC

FOX is replaying the speech now. Good. I heard it on the radio live, but have not seen it until now.


1,445 posted on 12/18/2005 11:02:31 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("The only 'new tone' we hear should be that of the Left's telephone being disconnected. " dogcaller)
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To: Coleus
You really think Osama could tell where all these cells are? You need to read up a little. At this point, I bet he'd be next to useless in terms of that kind of intel.

I saw the TV on at work but didn't hear the speech itself. What's the tenor of the response--not one's own opinion, but what's the general (non-FR, non-lefty) feel for how people reacted?

1,446 posted on 12/18/2005 11:10:08 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Warning: Adult language, but great message: http://foamy.libertech.net/noxmas.swf)
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To: Christian4Bush

I made the big time mistake of voting for Carter in my youth. That was done as a reaction to Nixon. I learned a valuable lesson.


1,447 posted on 12/18/2005 11:12:33 PM PST by doug from upland (Hasta la vista, Tookie)
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To: ClaireSolt

"We remember the words of the Christmas carol, written during the Civil War: 'God is not dead, nor (does) He sleep; the Wrong shall fail, the Right prevail, with peace on Earth, goodwill to men.'"


1,448 posted on 12/18/2005 11:23:15 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Dog; Mo1; PhiKapMom; Howlin; YaYa123; don-o; Miss Marple
RE: Attorney General Gonzales press conference.

Let's hope that it is more than just a defense of the legality of the wiretaps. The slimes seems to be throwing down the gauntlet:

'NY Times' Hits Back after Bush Criticizes Story

1,449 posted on 12/19/2005 12:17:51 AM PST by Cap Huff
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To: TFine80
A bad one if you ask me.

Uninspired.

1,450 posted on 12/19/2005 2:29:30 AM PST by angkor
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To: JWojack
No, you're not the only one disappointed. Despite a commendable phrase or two, the speech was soft, trite and, again, as in all of his speeches the past year, full of his oft-repeated generalities not even re-phrased in a fresh manner.

I had posted on this forum right before the speech that I hoped the President would discontinue the "new tone" in his public pronouncements....the "new tone" which always rises up and hits him in the face. He hasn't discontinued it. He's still hoping the domestic enemy will join his crusade, but in spite of his pleas last night, they won't.

The President IS surrounded by PR amateurs....his plodding press conference spokesman, his run-of-the-mill speech writers, even the set producers of last night's speech who failed to tell him beforehand to keep his hands on the desk......his awkward, jerky hand movements made him look like a puppet on strings. I think it's no secret now that GW is ill-served by gawd-knows-who that's advising him in the PR department.

President Bush is a noble man, but, in his speeches, an inspiring wartime leader he is not. Past American wartime presidents must be rolling in their graves. A president doesn't have to be aggressive, loud, political or petty when he makes a wartime speech. Read the well-formed, inspiring wartime speeches and pep talks by Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Truman and Churchill.

I lost interest last night after a short time, same old style of boiled potatoes, little meat. But I kept watching.....waiting for a moment to jump out of my chair and cheer. That moment never came.

The choir, including me, loves him......but who else did he inspire last night....really?

Leni

1,451 posted on 12/19/2005 3:38:24 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Peach
When we were building this house, he came home and said that the fireplace and bookshelves on either side were not properly placed and by tomorrow morning it would be too late because they were putting in the fireplace.

Great story ................

"Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House" -- 1948, Cary Grant

;-)

1,452 posted on 12/19/2005 4:18:09 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: MinuteGal; ohioWfan

As several others have noted, President Bush is not sp stupid as to think that the rabid Left is going to support victory in Iraq so that we will not suffer defeat and its dire consequences...rather, his plea was aimed at Dems who are traditional Dems and would not like to see us defeated just to hurt President Bush.

One of them called in to Rush recently. Clearly a Democrat but he knew that trying to destroy the Commander in Chief in wartime is wrong and he wanted no part of it. He said that his circle of friends felt the same way. Certain types of Independents are the others that he was aiming at.

As to your total bashing of his style and lack of inspiration... to each his own. To engage you there would be a useless exercise for which I have no time or emotional energy.


1,453 posted on 12/19/2005 4:18:55 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: MinuteGal; ohioWfan

"sp stupid" = so stupid


1,454 posted on 12/19/2005 4:20:29 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette
Good post, and I agree with you. Look at the moonbats since the speech! He's just given them more rope with which to hang themselves. Reasonable people look at the ted Kennedy's of the worldd and just shake their heads.

The president did what he needed to do without taking their bait and turning it into a mud-slinging match. He should leave that for others.

1,455 posted on 12/19/2005 4:22:42 AM PST by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: Coleus
Well I think there is a history behind the State Of The Union address and it's more than show. Although the speech last night was okay I have mixed feelings about it; Pres. Bush doesn't need to defend his actions to us on TV, IMO, however after what the liberal politicians are feeding the media, what choice is there to remind people and keep them focused?

And in his speech after 9-11 he outlines the new "War On Terror" which I think you would find interesting.
I am not so sure Osama hasn't been caught but that's my hope, although it might not be likely. Do you think he has contact with cells in Iraq or the United States? He might not be dead but it's only a matter of time and he is pretty much removed from the rest of his followers, it seems.
1,456 posted on 12/19/2005 4:42:38 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: MinuteGal

"He's still hoping the domestic enemy will join his crusade"

I think you could take it that way but I think he was more reminding the Americans who are willing to listen that the Democrat politicians are lying in the media. That was what I got from it. I think he knows the domestic enemy has made their mind up and he could care less.


1,457 posted on 12/19/2005 4:47:35 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Steve_Seattle

Geraldo was praising the success to the skis. BO'Re did not want to hear that!


1,458 posted on 12/19/2005 4:49:44 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: beyond the sea

I loved that movie. Mr. Peach wanted me to make the decisions about stuff like that which was just as well :-)


1,459 posted on 12/19/2005 4:57:01 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: StarFan

I just this morning read your post about the Gore/Bush 36 days during the election debacle and remembering it gives me the shudders. My brother gave me a book which recounts that time and to this day, I can't read it. We gave a huge party on election night and everyone left by around 1:30 and my husband went to bed. The phone rang twice around 3 and again at 4:30 (I was still up) from other frantic neighbors. I think a lot of us were very much on edge, although looking back, it seems like it was mostly women.

Sounds like we're both lucky to be married to patient men!


1,460 posted on 12/19/2005 5:13:52 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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