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1 posted on 12/18/2005 7:24:55 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin

Thanks for posting this!


2 posted on 12/18/2005 7:30:47 AM PST by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: Valin

Great background post.


3 posted on 12/18/2005 7:30:47 AM PST by frankjr
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To: Valin
I find it interesting that the Democrats keep repeating secret "surveillance of American citizens." How do they know who has been surveilled?
4 posted on 12/18/2005 7:32:26 AM PST by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: Valin

The headlines, if any, should read: BUSH DEFENDS AMERICA instead of the typical left-media BUSH SPIES ON AMERICANS.
If Bush wasn't President, we would have been attacked several more times since 9/11/01, and thousands more civilians here in the U.S. would have died. Perhaps hundreds of thousands.


5 posted on 12/18/2005 7:33:23 AM PST by pleikumud
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To: Valin

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 119

CHAPTER 119—WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION AND INTERCEPTION OF ORAL COMMUNICATIONS


I have read the complete chapter and numerous times it gives the Attorney General authorization to allow a tap as long as a judge is notified immediately after and who's to say they weren't? The FISA court is so secret that they can't even disclose if they were notified after the fact.


6 posted on 12/18/2005 7:36:34 AM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: Valin
Wait.......you are basing your OPINION of these warrantless searches ON FACTS!! You know that the Dims and MSM don't give a rat's a.s about FACTS. Stir the emotions, paint with a broad brush, scream about RIGHTS, rage over the President's abuse of power and never stop the childish negative SOUND BITES.

Of course if he didn't have these warrantless searches and the Brooklyn Bridge was blown to pieces by the terrorists, well then we can just BASH BUSH for NOT protecting us.

Both sides of the issue or should I say EITHER side of the issue is just as appropriate to the leftists commies American haters that we call Democrats and the Main Stream Media.

7 posted on 12/18/2005 7:36:54 AM PST by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: Valin

The ACLU's selection outrage and how Clinton spied on American citizens.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1542539/posts


8 posted on 12/18/2005 7:38:07 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

ping


10 posted on 12/18/2005 7:40:01 AM PST by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: Valin

How do you know who it is until you listen to the call, though?


11 posted on 12/18/2005 7:41:05 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Valin

Unfortunately the MSM doesn't rely on facts and discourages their use. All morning, Bush has been portrayed as illegally spying on US citizens... and that's what Joe & Jane Blow will believe.


14 posted on 12/18/2005 7:46:30 AM PST by johnny7 (“Check out the big brain on Brett!”)
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To: Valin

"the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order"

What part of "without a court order" don't the RATS understand?


21 posted on 12/18/2005 8:31:47 AM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: Valin
Thank you for posting this. It's one more proof, if any be needed, that the NY Times lies to its readers. From reading the alternative media, I thought that FISA worked about as this language provides.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "My Friend, Gene McCarthy, 1916-2005"

24 posted on 12/18/2005 9:07:25 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Do you think Fitzpatrick resembled Captain Queeg, coming apart on the witness stand?)
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To: Valin

Excellent. I hope Bush has his ducks in a row on this; bucause the Dem think they can nail him.


30 posted on 12/18/2005 7:51:34 PM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Valin

Good post Valin.


55 posted on 12/19/2005 5:34:05 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Valin

Question for all.

If terrorist A wants to talk to terrorist B without us listening, does he simply get a US citizen on a 3rd party line?

Would this protect terrorists outside of the US if they patch a US citizen in ?


76 posted on 12/20/2005 12:36:16 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Valin

2nd question for all.

If the president doesn't have the authority to intercept call from terrorists to US citizens shouldn't we be rushing legislation in to cover this hole in security?


79 posted on 12/20/2005 12:51:08 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Valin

And looky here. USSID 18 says the exact same thing.

http://ftp.die.net/mirror/cryptome/nsa-ussid18.htm#SECTION%204

SECTION 4 - COLLECTION
4.1 (S-CCO) Communications which are known to be to, from or about U.S. PERSONS oxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx not be intentionally intercepted. [1 line redacted.]

a. With the approval of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court under the conditions outlined in Annex A of this USSID.
b. With the approval of the Attorney General of the United States, if:

(1) The COLLECTION is directed against the following:
(a) Communications to or from U.S. PERSONS outside of the UNITED STATES, or
(b) International communications to, from, [1 line redacted.]

(c) Communications which are not to or from but merely about U.S. PERSONS (wherever located).

(2) The person is an AGENT OF A FOREIGN POWER, and

(3) The purpose of the COLLECTION is to acquire significant FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE information.


85 posted on 12/20/2005 1:37:10 PM PST by xusafflyer (Mexifornian by birth, Hoosier by choice)
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To: Valin

Whatever happened to researching the laws behind stories BEFORE publishing?


107 posted on 12/20/2005 7:15:46 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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