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ACLU Shocked at Bush Use of National Security Agency for Domestic Spying...
ACLU ^ | 12/15/2005

Posted on 12/16/2005 6:31:55 PM PST by Jay777

WASHINGTON - The American Civil Liberties Union today expressed shock about revelations reported in the New York Times that President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on conversations of Americans and others in the United States. According to the report, this spying occurred without any court order and was focused on telephone and e-mail communications of "hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States" with persons abroad. Electronic surveillance law generally prohibits non-consensual eavesdropping in the U.S. without a court order based on probable cause.

The following can be attributed to Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office:

"Eavesdropping on conversations of U.S citizens and others in the United States without a court order and without complying with the procedures of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is both illegal and unconstitutional. The administration is claiming extraordinary presidential powers at the expense of civil liberties and is putting the president above the law. Congress must investigate this report thoroughly. We also call upon Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to appoint a special prosecutor to independently investigate whether crimes have been committed.

(Excerpt) Read more at aclu.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclu; intelligence; nsa; patriotleak; probe
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To: golfisnr1

41 posted on 12/16/2005 7:21:11 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: muawiyah
I wouldn't mind doing that either, I just want to do it legally.
You say "we" are confident W didn't break the law. I wish I could be as certain as you. He is, after all, a human being and a politician and therefore capable of error. I voted for him and when I consider who he was running against, I would do it again. I do not believe him to be infallible though. time will tell.
42 posted on 12/16/2005 7:21:13 PM PST by oldfart ("All governments and all civilizations fall... eventually. Our government is not immune.)
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To: oceanview
this was obviously well planned to be released this week during the iraqi elections and the Patriot Act revote,...

You got that right. The Rats at the New York Slimes sat on this for a year until they thought the time was right to spring it. No good news for President Bush can go on for long before Slimes & Co. manufacture negative news.

43 posted on 12/16/2005 7:24:20 PM PST by demlosers
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To: Jay777

I'd like to shock the ACLU with about 10,000,000 volts.


44 posted on 12/16/2005 7:25:22 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: oldfart

did you even read the original article?

who gets to decide what is "legal"? the ACLU and the NYT, do we have to get them to sign onto it?


45 posted on 12/16/2005 7:25:52 PM PST by oceanview
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To: MaineVoter2002
How do you stop the leaks that come from the CIA and the Pentagon? Do you duct tape the mouths shut of everyone who works there? Do you follow the employees making lists of everyone they talk to.

Every administration has had leaks precisely because you can't stop it.

46 posted on 12/16/2005 7:27:30 PM PST by carton253 (Al-Qa'eda are not the Viet Cong. If you exit, they'll follow. And Americans will die...)
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To: Jay777

The Anti-American Communist Lawyers Ass is shocked, shocked! Another group firmly against Iraqi Democracy!

This is nothing more than a Book Promotion!!!!

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


47 posted on 12/16/2005 7:31:27 PM PST by bray (Merry Christmas Iraq)
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To: Jay777
Here's the way I see it..

If an American citizen is having a conversation with a foreign national, and that conversation contains language which includes any reference to blowing up, running into, flying into, or dropping anything on, a building, train, tunnel, bridge, or structure inside the borders of the United States, all rules are cancelled, all bets are off, and all rights of the participants are revoked.
We're fighting a war..A WAR!!!! Just like 1941...we are AT WAR!!!
Tell ya what, let AQ fly another plane into a building full of liberals..like the NYT building..and lets see if there is a change of heart.
These people will get us all killed..

48 posted on 12/16/2005 7:35:55 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: Jay777
"According to the report, this spying occurred without any court order and was focused on telephone and e-mail communications of "hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States" with persons abroad.

Nothing to see here folks, no crime committed, move along now.

49 posted on 12/16/2005 7:38:56 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: oldfart
Look, if you have the New York Times telling you that "W" is breaking the law, you know that it's not true.

Aren't you the slightest bit suspicious of an organization like that one which has such a big mouth but was not targeted by AlQaida for anything?

51 posted on 12/16/2005 7:41:19 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: demlosers

The ACLU is ANTI-CHRISTIAN......period.....so they can't last forever!


52 posted on 12/16/2005 7:41:26 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: oceanview

No, I didn't read that article. I read another one somewhere else and I can't remember right now where it was. The net is so full of information that I simply cannot keep track of everything.


53 posted on 12/16/2005 7:43:23 PM PST by oldfart ("All governments and all civilizations fall... eventually. Our government is not immune.)
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To: Ann Archy
Unfortunately, they have been around since 1921.
They won't go away anytime soon.
54 posted on 12/16/2005 7:44:24 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: moonshine mike

I don't think that is very practical...


55 posted on 12/16/2005 7:44:31 PM PST by carton253 (Al-Qa'eda are not the Viet Cong. If you exit, they'll follow. And Americans will die...)
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To: muawiyah
I don't read the NYT! I don't even do their crossword puzzle!
56 posted on 12/16/2005 7:45:19 PM PST by oldfart ("All governments and all civilizations fall... eventually. Our government is not immune.)
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To: DJ Taylor; All

Didn't Janet Shake and Bake Reno want or have a program that listened in on CITIZENS if they said key words like"Assassination...Kill Clinton...Money laundring....murder the President"?? It has a code word, but I can't rember it.


57 posted on 12/16/2005 7:48:01 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: concretebob

And they were started by Evan Thomas' COMMUNIST grandfather!!


58 posted on 12/16/2005 7:50:11 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: Ann Archy

Roger Baldwin..


59 posted on 12/16/2005 7:54:07 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: Ann Archy
ACLU's History
60 posted on 12/16/2005 7:58:12 PM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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