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To: One_who_hopes_to_know

But if this story is true, doesn't it bother you that these things are being done w/o a warrant? Whatever happened to the seperation of powers?


7 posted on 12/15/2005 6:10:11 PM PST by libertyman ("....It's [the Constitution] just a g-ddamned piece of paper" --Presidebt Bush, Nov. '05)
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To: libertyman

Who do you think that Uncle Sam is listening to?

Most likely people who follow the R.O.P.


12 posted on 12/15/2005 6:12:09 PM PST by misterrob
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To: libertyman
Key word in the original article, international... falls under intelligence rules, no warrant needed. Warrant would be required if it were domestic.
14 posted on 12/15/2005 6:12:38 PM PST by mnehring (“Anybody who doesn’t appreciate what America has done and President Bush, let them go to hell”...)
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To: libertyman

The powers are separated just fine, this has always been a function of the NSA.


16 posted on 12/15/2005 6:13:26 PM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: libertyman

Hmmm ~ do you imagine that our courts have extraterritorial powers?


51 posted on 12/15/2005 8:06:11 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: libertyman
But if this story is true, doesn't it bother you that these things are being done w/o a warrant? Whatever happened to the separation of powers?

Extraordinary powers have always been granted presidents in war time. Abraham Lincoln even suspended habeas corpus during the civil war. That means the executive branch could arrest anyone and hold them without telling anyone the person had been arrested. Lincoln could and did order people picked up and held. To their family, friends and acquaintances they just disappeared. No one knew what happened to them. When their lawyers tried a writ of habeas corpus (do you have the body) the government refused to answer. They didn't answer in cases where they had the person under arrest and they refused to answer when they didn't have the person under arrest.

Many personal freedom were removed in WWI and WWII as well though never as many as Lincoln removed during the Civil War.

What happens to freedom? It is always taken away in war time and returned when the war is over.

Our freedoms are not absolute. Our government has always retained the right to remove our freedoms. The only real right we possess is the right to vote those whose actions we disapprove out of office.

If after the war, freedoms are not returned, we elect people who then give us back our freedom.

Law enforcement decides what the law allows them to do ... at least until the courts decide differently.

The law says whatever the judges say it says!


59 posted on 12/16/2005 4:23:06 AM PST by Common Tator
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The people supposedly spied on all had connections to al quaeda. Apparently, several terrorist plots were disrupted, as well.


66 posted on 12/16/2005 5:57:02 AM PST by Flightdeck (Longhorns+January=Rose Bowl Repeat)
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