Posted on 12/15/2005 1:14:03 AM PST by FairOpinion
The House of Representatives on Wednesday threw its weight behind a Senate-approved ban on the use of cruel, inhuman and degrading interrogation techniques - a major defeat for President Bush that raises pressure on the White House to reach a compromise on the measure. Democrats were joined by 107 Republicans in the 308-122 vote, which instructed House members to adopt the Senate ban during conference committee negotiations over a Defense Department spending bill. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., who has recently clashed with the White House over Iraq policy, proposed the instruction. Only one Democrat, Jim Marshall of Georgia, voted against it. "We cannot torture and still retain the moral high ground. Torture brings discredit upon the United States," said Murtha, the only House member who spoke before the vote.
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Maybe the Bush administration naively believed that people like mccain would actually put the defense of the US before their own cynical political ambitions.
They didn't drop the ball. I blame a liberal press that thinks the US military is more evil than al-queda and portray such 24/7, and those Congreesmen who suck up to that press.
This needs to be the first veto from Pres. Bush. It's for our children.
It's an extra hurdle in a time crunch, but a worthwhile protection.
"Amazing your disconnect of a press that is out to defeat the US and the WOT.
Not sure what that has to do with my argument that the administration dropped the ball."
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If we didn't have such a terrorist loving, anti-Bush, anti-American media, the consequence of the Bush administration not coming out strongly explaining the situation wouldn't have had such disastrous effects. If the media had done a fair reporting, it would have been obvious to the American people. President Bush counted on the people to figure things out for themselves, but with the MSM lying, distorting the news, not reporting good news, editorializing the news, they were able to shape people's opinion.
If the terrorists will agree not to use cruel killing techniques, then this would be Queen's rules war.
Jerks.
We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.
Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.
For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.
George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.
Straightforward to a "new America".
I think that you're looking at it too simplistically. McCain might be looking for acclaim from the press, but nothing that the press did explains why there was such a leadership vacuum from the administration on this matter.
Well, as long as the commission contains that prissy little girl Richard Ben-vineste and Jamie GORElick we'll be o.k.
Bush tried to get the CIA exempted, but McCain wouldn't go for it, and it seems he speaks for the entire Congress, they seem to be following him like sheep.
Yep where your hero tancredo, voted with the democrats, to aid and comfort the terrorists who wish to kill you and me.
There are pundits on our side on FOX, as well as on the internet, and in the papers, and on talk radio. The administration has favorite reporters and they know how to get their message out in the media. If they had wanted to do so, they could have. I'm not going to give them a pass on sloppy work just because the MSM is generally hostile.
He's not my hero but he's a heck of a lot better than Bush when it comes to the border.
What leadership vaccum. The administartion is trying to go after the terrorists and the liberal press is trying to stop that goal anyway they can.
It really is that simple.
Whatever as you fight a war where every t is crossed and every i is dotted.
People who fight wars the way you do, lose, and the terrorists also know this.
Yeah, I know. The problem is that they didn't make their case soon enough and the president didn't make it himself. He sent VP Cheney to deal with the Senate when it was already way too late. He should have made his case to the people more than two years ago. Instead he let it sit, and in the fullness of time it has come back to bite us in the butt.
By failing to make the case for using torture and by not clearly defining where and when it would be used, the administration sacrificed the initiative to John McCain. Now we're going to be stuck with a wrong-headed law that may tie our hands at a critical moment. This could have been avoided, but the president and his team didn't head it off when they should have. Now it's too late.
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